Puyo Puyo

[warelander]

*sigh*, Well, again. I'm not going to make you like it. As I always say, each to their own. If you don't mind though, I'd like to stop talking about for a while. If I'm being honest...I'm actually starting to feel a little bit negative on it.

Don't feel negative on it, after all these are just my opinions and viewpoints and we are talking about a series where 98% of all romance is played for laughs, character relationships are generally static and these kind of things are played in a lighthearted fashion, so how negative you view these things is really up to you.

For that matter if you have particulary negative opinions on something I love like Arlsig and feel like you should hold back, don't, let it all out, because I believe in an Environment where everyone should feel comfortable to voice their thoughts in all honesty in a civil manner, without having to feel like they should sugar coat things.

And frankly if I upset you with this then you deserve to "get back at me" so to speak, because that was never my intention.

Yeah, you have a point. Still, considering Succubus' supposed redesign, I can see her being added to a console Puyo game one day. Maybe MUCH later than Incubus, but one day.

You never know, after all I thought that Lagnus showing up in a mainline game again in the forseeable future was likely a pipedream and we all know what actually happened.

 

[puyokid]

Don't feel negative on it, after all these are just my opinions and viewpoints and we are talking about a series where 98% of all romance is played for laughs, character relationships are generally static and these kind of things are played in a lighthearted fashion, so how negative you view these things is really up to you.

For that matter if you have particularly negative opinions on something I love like Arlsig and feel like you should hold back, don't, let it all out, because I believe in an Environment where everyone should feel comfortable to voice their thoughts in all honesty in a civil manner, without having to feel like they should sugar coat things.

Yeah, you're right. I really shouldn't let this get to me. I'm probably just overreacting, if anything. Like you said, the majority of romantic situations in Puyo Puyo aren't exactly anything serious, so you know...

Also, if I'm being honest now, then I may as well say that I really don't hate Arle x Sig. Not in the slightest, it's just never done much for me personally compared to Amitie x Sig.

And frankly if I upset you with this then you deserve to "get back at me" so to speak, because that was never my intention.

No need to worry. I'm not THAT upset or anything like that. I know it wasn't your intention to upset me or anything.

You never know, after all I thought that Lagnus showing up in a mainline game again in the forseeable future was likely a pipedream and we all know what actually happened.

Good point.

BTW, can I just say that I'm really happy about how Puyo Puyo Tetris was released to HUGE success over here in the West? So far, I've been seeing reviews saying the game is superb and the story (specifically its dialogue) is just beautiful. Seriously, this keeps up, and I can see Chronicles being released over here in the West in 1-3 years.

 

[warelander]

Yeah, you're right. I really shouldn't let this get to me. I'm probably just overreacting, if anything. Like you said, the majority of romantic situations in Puyo Puyo aren't exactly anything serious, so you know...

Yeah, I mean my opinions and viewpoints on Shezle may not be positive, but don't let that or my comments in regards to it discourage you from liking what you like.

BTW, can I just say that I'm really happy about how Puyo Puyo Tetris was released to HUGE success over here in the West? So far, I've been seeing reviews saying the game is superb and the story (specifically its dialogue) is just beautiful. Seriously, this keeps up, and I can see Chronicles being released over here in the West in 1-3 years.

It is undeniably great to see the west take so well to the series, especially the presentation and characters, which were assumed to be potential obstacles for localization for such a long time.

I'm still eagerly wating for hard sales data, because if it does indeed do well like it has been hinted at, then it would be in SEGA's best interest to bring Chronicle over as quickly as possible, given the demand for it and the iron still being at it's hottest, plus it would make it easy for the localizers to keep up with new releases of the series in the future as well, in the best case scenario that Puyo becomes a true western mainstay.

 

[puyokid]

Yeah, I mean my opinions and viewpoints on Shezle may not be positive, but don't let that or my comments in regards to it discourage you from liking what you like.

Well, thank you. I appreciate the kind words.

It is undeniably great to see the west take so well to the series, especially the presentation and characters, which were assumed to be potential obstacles for localization for such a long time.

I'm still eagerly waiting for hard sales data, because if it does indeed do well like it has been hinted at, then it would be in SEGA's best interest to bring Chronicle over as quickly as possible, given the demand for it and the iron still being at it's hottest, plus it would make it easy for the localizers to keep up with new releases of the series in the future as well, in the best case scenario that Puyo becomes a true western mainstay.

Same here, and I do agree with you that it really WOULD be in SEGA's best interest to release Chronicles over here in the West as soon as they can.

BTW, I have another question for you. In the event that Puyo Puyo were to ever change up its artstyle for a at least one future game, what artstyle would you like SEGA to go with?

 

[warelander]

Yon, not even a question for me, plus points if the artstyle is attached to a modern take on Yon with the current main cast + Doppel and the return of the special abilities, only with attempts at balancing this time around.

 

[puyokid]

Yon, not even a question for me, plus points if the artstyle is attached to a modern take on Yon with the current main cast + Doppel and the return of the special abilities, only with attempts at balancing this time around.

As I've said before, I'd give ANYTHING for even ONE (Or two....or THREE) more Puyo game(s) to use Yo~n's artstyle. Granted, this is personal opinion talking on my part, but I always felt that THIS artist always came the closest to what I'd picture Puyo Puyo's artstyle to evolve into in terms of the SEGA-era to compliment Compile's Yo~n artstyle.

http://route87.chu.jp/top.htm

 

[warelander]

This looks like it would be the perfect artstyle for a Puyo Puyo manga, it's awesome!

Also, you have just officially become my personal hero for showing me that Sig & Doppel pic, I have been looking for art of the two together (favorite crack pairing and all) for what feels like an eternity, with no success and now you just come casually into the room to save the day!

 

[puyokid]

This looks like it would be the perfect artstyle for a Puyo Puyo manga, it's awesome!

I know, right?! If this doesn't get used for the Puyo games, this art would be PERFECT for a new Puyo Puyo manga series!!

BTW, the artist who did all of these pieces also did: https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=48992263

Yes, the same manga I asked The Big Magma to translate before he took off, and admittedly I am a little...miffed that he didn't finish. Unless there's ANYONE else on these forums who can translate Japanese.

Still, considering how SEGA's WAY more open to to fan material nowadays, maybe they COULD get this person (or someone like them) to do the art for Puyo Puyo games these days...

Also, you have just officially become my personal hero for showing me that Sig & Doppel pic, I have been looking for art of the two together (favorite crack pairing and all) for what feels like an eternity, with no success and now you just come casually into the room to save the day!

Aw, thanks! I'm flattered! I can understand how it's difficult to find ANY Sig x Doppelganger Arle fanart. Heck, it's somewhat difficult to find Sig x Arle fanart! BTW, just so you know, that's BLACK Sig paired with Doppel there.

 

[warelander]

Yes, the same manga I asked The Big Magma to translate before he took off, and admittedly I am a little...miffed that he didn't finish. Unless there's ANYONE else on these forums who can translate Japanese.

I don't know anyone who can, unfortunately, with Magma it's just that a lot of personal frustration sucked all his motivation away, he was working on a WarioWare centered translation project at the same time, but gave that one up too, because so few people seemed to care.

Aw, thanks! I'm flattered! I can understand how it's difficult to find ANY Sig x Doppelganger Arle fanart. Heck, it's somewhat difficult to find Sig x Arle fanart! BTW, just so you know, that's BLACK Sig paired with Doppel there.

I did notice that and it seems that Doppel is based off her Quest appearence, where the shreds of her Pierrot costume still hover around her, very similar in look to Black Sig's dark aura, so they fit well together visually.

And yeah, trying to find Sig/Doppel stuff is somethin' else, I can't say that this shocks me, since the two never even appeared in a game together, apart from Quest, which isn't exactly story driven, even in my case it actually started as a joke, before quickly growing into something 100% unironic and my top Puyo crack pairing.

Plus, between Draco, Seriri, Chico, Honey Bee, Ecolo, Satan or T among others there are so many crack options that have fanmade material out there that I figured that even Sig/Doppel should have SOMETHING somewhere and not only is that the case, but it's beyond gorgeous too.

 

[SurrealBrain]

Not gonna lie, seeing your assessment of SchezArle has kinda made me question my own views on it. I suppose I still have an appreciation for it, though. That, or it proves I cannot debate very well.

Then again, it's not the first time I've questioned my appreciation for a ship; much as I like SigAmi, I admit, I have some fondness for Amitie x Raffina as well...but I am fully convinced that fondness comes from a place it shouldn't have, and quite frankly, that thought actually disturbs me a great deal. Needless to say, it's not a ship I'd go out of my way to endorse.

As for the art you showed? That is quite fantastic; different from the style that's been used, but true to the characters. Which is all I'd want, really.

Such a shame that translation project kinda died, and it's such a shame I can't do translations. I can tell you, if I could translate this stuff, I would. Darn shame, really. But I can see how personal frustration sucks motivation away; it can be tough to go on when that happens.

 

[puyokid]

I don't know anyone who can, unfortunately, with Magma it's just that a lot of personal frustration sucked all his motivation away, he was working on a WarioWare centered translation project at the same time, but gave that one up too, because so few people seemed to care.

Such a shame that translation project kinda died, and it's such a shame I can't do translations. I can tell you, if I could translate this stuff, I would. Darn shame, really. But I can see how personal frustration sucks motivation away; it can be tough to go on when that happens.

Oh, man. Really? Great, now I feel pretty bad about what I said. I mean, if I'm being honest, I had the suspicion that VERY personal...issues were the result of his leaving. I can also understand his feeling drained by such a thing. The poor guy. I really do hope he feels better. Still, @SurrealBrain as slim as the odds are, I don't suppose you know anyone who can translate Japanese, do you?

BTW, this is the progress Magma made before he decided to take off.

I did notice that and it seems that Doppel is based off her Quest appearance, where the shreds of her Pierrot costume still hover around her, very similar in look to Black Sig's dark aura, so they fit well together visually.

And yeah, trying to find Sig/Doppel stuff is somethin' else, I can't say that this shocks me, since the two never even appeared in a game together, apart from Quest, which isn't exactly story driven, even in my case it actually started as a joke, before quickly growing into something 100% unironic and my top Puyo crack pairing.

Plus, between Draco, Seriri, Chico, Honey Bee, Ecolo, Satan or T among others there are so many crack options that have fanmade material out there that I figured that even Sig/Doppel should have SOMETHING somewhere and not only is that the case, but it's beyond gorgeous too.

Well, all this being said, you're welcome for the B. Sig/Doppel. Arle art! Honestly, I've noticed all the crack pairings and I'm a little surprised that SO many Puyo/Madou characters have such "out there" ships, you know?

Not gonna lie, seeing your assessment of SchezArle has kinda made me question my own views on it. I suppose I still have an appreciation for it, though. That, or it proves I cannot debate very well.

Well, we shouldn't just let our ships die out because of someone else's opinion. @warelander, I just want you to know I am in NO way trying to call you out or attack you. I'm just repeating what you told me a few days ago. Honestly, part of why I ship SchArle is because I've always (and still) see it as Arle, with how she antagonizes Schezo more so than Satan is because she might have a secret thing for him, and POSSIBLY vice versa. BTW, I have seen this be a thing in other relationships, fictional or not.

As for the art you showed? That is quite fantastic; different from the style that's been used, but true to the characters. Which is all I'd want, really.

That's EXACTLY how I feel about this artist's work ESPECIALLY when it comes Puyo. It's anime-styled, but it's not TOO anime, to the point that it keeps (IMO) surprisingly, if not INSANELY, true to the characters of Puyo Puyo. I mean, just look at the translated pictures from the Puyo manga I posted above.

 

[warelander]

Well, all this being said, you're welcome for the B. Sig/Doppel. Arle art! Honestly, I've noticed all the crack pairings and I'm a little surprised that SO many Puyo/Madou characters have such "out there" ships, you know?

It seems surprising yeah, though to be honest in a way I can kinda see why that is, when you consider how aside from Onion Pixy x Oniko, there are no canon couples to speak of and thanks to how heavy the series is on characters playing off of each other you are essentially invited to think of scenarios of any given character combination meeting and a lot of these scenarios might end up very appealing in that way.

At least that's how I feel, because I do notice that there are a ton of Puyo pairings that I like, including quite a bit of crack, where as in other fandoms I might like a handful couples at most.

Well, we shouldn't just let our ships die out because of someone else's opinion. @warelander, I just want you to know I am in NO way trying to call you out or attack you. I'm just repeating what you told me a few days ago.

Don't worry I know and I still stand by what I said, for as much as I might dislike it, I wouldn't want anyone else to feel more negative on it, because of things I say, because that would just be the equivalent of me taking away something you enjoy and I'd never, ever, want that.

 

[SurrealBrain]

I don't think I know anyone who can translate Japanese, sorry. Unless they're keeping that skill hidden, of course.

 

[puyokid]

It seems surprising yeah, though to be honest in a way I can kinda see why that is, when you consider how aside from Onion Pixy x Oniko, there are no canon couples to speak of and thanks to how heavy the series is on characters playing off of each other you are essentially invited to think of scenarios of any given character combination meeting and a lot of these scenarios might end up very appealing in that way.

At least that's how I feel, because I do notice that there are a ton of Puyo pairings that I like, including quite a bit of crack, where as in other fandoms I might like a handful couples at most.

If I'm being honest...this (the whole thing about being able to ship a multitude of characters) is one of the things that seem to be a source of appeal for me when comes to the Puyo Puyo games. Is that weird?

BTW, isn't it CRAZY how despite 25 years (and counting) of Puyo Puyo, Onion Pixy x Oniko are currently the ONLY canon couple on-screen to speak of so far?

Don't worry I know and I still stand by what I said, for as much as I might dislike it, I wouldn't want anyone else to feel more negative on it, because of things I say, because that would just be the equivalent of me taking away something you enjoy and I'd never, ever, want that.

OK, thank you. I just wanted to be sure I got that out of the way is all.

I don't think I know anyone who can translate Japanese, sorry. Unless they're keeping that skill hidden, of course.

Aw, really? Well, that's OK. I just hope someone comes by one day to translate that Puyo manga story. I've been trying to get it translated for a couple of months now, and no luck.

Also, I have a question for you all.

Do any of you think Puyo Puyo will ever have a dark story one day along the lines of Yo~n and PP7? What do you think the story would be about?

 

[SurrealBrain]

It's unlikely at best, to be sure. But I won't say it's impossible; things we previously deemed impossible have happened before.

But I do think it's improbable. I'm not expecting it soon, if ever.

 

[warelander]

If I'm being honest...this (the whole thing about being able to ship a multitude of characters) is one of the things that seem to be a source of appeal for me when comes to the Puyo Puyo games. Is that weird?

Ain't nothin' weird bout it, while I wouldn't say that it's part of the inherent appeal for me I will say that it's an aspect that I have a lot of fun with, as evidenced by the sheer amount of ships that I enjoy.

BTW, isn't it CRAZY how despite 25 years (and counting) of Puyo Puyo, Onion Pixy x Oniko are currently the ONLY canon couple on-screen to speak of so far?

Looking back for as much as romance is a factor in the series and how much shipping there is in the fandom the franchise itself has always been very mild when it comes to even stuff like teasing pairings, apart from stuff like Satan and Rulue's obssesive crushes or or unrequited attractions, like Suketoudara having a thing for Seriri. The only genuinely heavily teased couple pre-PPT that I can recall is ScheWitch, since there are some moments that blatantly hint that she has a thing for him.

I guess that's another thing that makes PPT stand out, since it is a lot more ''aggressive'' in that regard, mainly with Maguro/S, Sig/Amitie and especially Ringo/T, I mean that one goes waaaaayyyy beyond just subtext or hints.

Do any of you think Puyo Puyo will ever have a dark story one day along the lines of Yo~n and PP7? What do you think the story would be about?

I wouldn't expect it with the current story telling approach, doesn't meant that they can't switch things up, but there's no way of telling when that's gonna be.

 

[puyokid]

Ain't nothin' weird bout it, while I wouldn't say that it's part of the inherent appeal for me I will say that it's an aspect that I have a lot of fun with, as evidenced by the sheer amount of ships that I enjoy.

Oh, OK. I was just curious if I'm being honest. I also understand what you mean by how it's probably not THE biggest appeal of Puyo Puyo (and Madou Monogatari, for that matter), but it's certainly a VERY welcome addition. At least, in my book.

Looking back for as much as romance is a factor in the series and how much shipping there is in the fandom the franchise itself has always been very mild when it comes to even stuff like teasing pairings, apart from stuff like Satan and Rulue's obsessive crushes or or unrequited attractions, like Suketoudara having a thing for Seriri. The only genuinely heavily teased couple pre-PPT that I can recall is ScheWitch, since there are some moments that blatantly hint that she has a thing for him.

I guess that's another thing that makes PPT stand out, since it is a lot more ''aggressive'' in that regard, mainly with Maguro/S, Sig/Amitie and especially Ringo/T, I mean that one goes waaaaayyyy beyond just subtext or hints.

Yeah, you have a point. I mean, I'm aware of how romantic stuff in the series is (for the most part) lightly touched upon and/or just gets played for laughs (with the somewhat "blatant" exception of PPT). For example, I actually find I kind of adorable how Suketoudara has a thing for Seriri, and Satan and Rulue's gimmicks (As old as they can get) actually are a little adorable to see if I'm being honest. Also, could you remind me how Witch seems to a have thing for Schezo? Don't get me wrong, I believe you. I'm just curious. The only times I can remember something like this being a thing are Madou Monogatari: Tower of the Magician, and Puyo SUN.

As for PPT, you're definitely right on how that Puyo game is probably the MOST "aggressive" in that regard. I mean, the ending to PPT...let's just say, Ringo/T is probably (in MY eyes, at least) the most blatantly hinted at ship since Ringo/Maguro in 20th Anniversary, and 2oth REALLY seemed to drive home the idea that Ringo would probably be the only girl for Maguro. If you want me to explain why, I can.

I wouldn't expect it with the current story telling approach, doesn't meant that they can't switch things up, but there's no way of telling when that's gonna be.

It's unlikely at best, to be sure. But I won't say it's impossible; things we previously deemed impossible have happened before.

But I do think it's improbable. I'm not expecting it soon, if ever.

Yeah, considering Puyo Puyo's current storytelling methods, it doesn't exactly look like SEGA has any plans to take the series in a dark turn at any point soon.

 

[warelander]

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Oh, OK. I was just curious if I'm being honest. I also understand what you mean by how it's probably not THE biggest appeal of Puyo Puyo (and Madou Monogatari, for that matter), but it's certainly a VERY welcome addition. At least, in my book.

I'm just talking from my perspective, it's not one of the first things I think of, when I think of Puyo, but I do get a lot of enjoyment out of it, I wouldn't have made a Arlsig blog or been so damn happy over a Sig/Doppel pic if ships weren't a rather notable part of my Puyo fandom after all.

]Also, could you remind me how Witch seems to a have thing for Schezo? Don't get me wrong, I believe you. I'm just curious. The only times I can remember something like this being a thing are Madou Monogatari: Tower of the Magician, and Puyo SUN.

The Saturn Madou Monogatari has a major example, it is based off of one of the Shin Madou novels (one that happened to star Lagnus, hence him being pretty much the true main hero of the game) and believe it or not, is first time the two meet chronologically, when Witch asks Arle and Rulue what kind of guy Schezo is they just decribe him as a ''mega pervert'' she is quickly intrigued and this continues until they finally meet, she even tries to go up to him and touch him and is very disappointed when he leaves the scene, it's the most bubbly and borderline fangirly that you ever see Witch act anywhere.

On top of that her sudden use of the ''I want you'' catchphrase around Schezo comes back in 20th and I do like to think of it as a rather blatant hint, since unlike Schezo who talks that way with everyone, Witch only ever flubs her speach around him. Then there is also Tower of the Magician, but that one speaks for itself.

As for PPT, you're definitely right on how that Puyo game is probably the MOST "aggressive" in that regard. I mean, the ending to PPT...let's just say, Ringo/T is probably (in MY eyes, at least) the most blatantly hinted at ship since Ringo/Maguro in 20th Anniversary, and 2oth REALLY seemed to drive home the idea that Ringo would probably be the only girl for Maguro. If you want me to explain why, I can.

Ah yeah, I know what you mean, completely forgot about that one, they even play the whole Ecolo getting jealous card, like they do in PPT when he's around T, so that's a obvious one too.

 

[puyokid]

I'm just talking from my perspective, it's not one of the first things I think of, when I think of Puyo, but I do get a lot of enjoyment out of it, I wouldn't have made a Arlsig blog or been so damn happy over a Sig/Doppel pic if ships weren't a rather notable part of my Puyo fandom after all.

Well, as I always say, each to their own. I hope you know that the whole shipping stuff isn't the first I think of when it comes to Puyo..........That honor would go to the series' interesting brand of humor and its VERY unique methods of gameplay. In my case however, seeing a cute pic of Arle x Schezo, Amitie x Sig, Ringo x Maguro, Schezo x Witch, etc. are enough to put me in a pretty good mood/give me a fluffy feeling.

The Saturn Madou Monogatari has a major example, it is based off of one of the Shin Madou novels (one that happened to star Lagnus, hence him being pretty much the true main hero of the game) and believe it or not, is first time the two meet chronologically, when Witch asks Arle and Rulue what kind of guy Schezo is they just describe him as a ''mega pervert'' she is quickly intrigued and this continues until they finally meet, she even tries to go up to him and touch him and is very disappointed when he leaves the scene, it's the most bubbly and borderline fangirly that you ever see Witch act anywhere.

No way, really? I don't suppose you have a link to this or you could tell me where you read this? I mean, I always had the feeling that Witch might secretly admire Schezo after seeing THAT cutscene in SUN, but I was never too certain if it was hinting at anything more. Never knew she was outright a fangirl of his. Say, after what happens when they DO meet, does she outgrow her thing for him? Just curious.

On top of that her sudden use of the ''I want you'' catchphrase around Schezo comes back in 20th and I do like to think of it as a rather blatant hint, since unlike Schezo who talks that way with everyone, Witch only ever flubs her speech around him. Then there is also Tower of the Magician, but that one speaks for itself.

Now regarding what happened in 20th Anniversary, that I AM aware of. Just like with SUN, I also took that as a possible hint that Witch may actually have a thing for Schezo, but I wasn't all THAT sure. Though, you've given me quite a bit to think about considering Witch only ever suddenly gains Schezo's speech impediment....when she's around him. Also, while I know TotM definitely speaks for itself, could you give me a couple of examples of Schezo x Witch?

Ah yeah, I know what you mean, completely forgot about that one, they even play the whole Ecolo getting jealous card, like they do in PPT when he's around T, so that's a obvious one too.

Oh, yeah. If I remeber correctly, Ecolo got jealous because he believed that Ringo and Maguro were talking about something MORE..."intricate" than just Maguro's good looks.

Speaking of this, if you don't mind, I'd like to describe what I was talking about when it comes to Ringo x Maguro. Basically, in Maguro's story in 20th Anniversary, Maguro's supposed good looks cause everyone in his story who sees them to practically fall in love with him. Ringo, on the other hand, reveals to everyone that she isn't affected by his looks and Risukuma seems to speculate that Ringo's (implied) feelings for Maguro appear to go past his looks, and she may have genuine feelings for him and vice versa.

 

[warelander]

I hope you know that the whole shipping stuff isn't the first I think of when it comes to Puyo

Oh, naturally.

No way, really? I don't suppose you have a link to this or you could tell me where you read this?

There yah go, an old translation for Saturn Madou that has been commissioned a long time ago, complete with video links to read along with.

Say, after what happens when they DO meet, does she outgrow her thing for him? Just curious.

Schezo get's annoyed at being called a pervert again and starts a fight, once defeated he just angrily walks off, though Witch seems disappointed to see him go and is clearly still fascinated with him.

Also, while I know TotM definitely speaks for itself, could you give me a couple of examples of Schezo x Witch?

Apart from their usual dynamic there is also the fact that Schezo completely declines any chance to take Wish's powers, despite originally coming to the titular tower for the whole prupose of stealing them. By the end of the game he has teamed up with Witch to find her, learning that Wish is her grandmother and saved both of them from Dark Matter, even leaving them be, once they are reunited and notably happily giving up on his original intentions of taking her powers.

Granted, despite his ultimately selfish pursuit of powers Schezo has always (well, post Madou 2 anyway) had a very clear moral center, but this is easily the most personal thing that he has ever done for anyone, considering how much the whole gaining powers thing means to his life, whether or not you think of this as a display of his hidden, but clearly existant nice aspects or him showing a particular amount of care for Witch specifically is up to your interpretation, I like to think that it's a bit of both.