What are your favorite and least favorite character types and/or story ideas?

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I, for example, love characters that are really good sweethearts, but like, they get asked to act like a villain and they're ridiculously good at it, making you wonder who exactly you're dealing with. Conversely, I HAAAAAATE characters who ACT like sweethearts and are ACTUALLY just vile rotting hay bales that need a match thrown into them, like Little Suzy on Phineas and Ferb. Smug little bastards like that need the Waluigi assist trophy to be sicced on them
As for story ideas, I dislike whatever trope is displayed in these bits: SpongeBob, where Squidward makes the Statue of David and misses out on billions because he gave the responsibility to the janitor; Simpsons Treehouse of Horror, where Homer ditches the supposed ideal future because it didn't have donuts, which would've been funny if they didn't immediately make a joke where it rains donuts T_T
I also dislike stupid misunderstandings, especially when it gets combined with that Little Suzy trope: take Tamami's The Lock from DIU. Koichi's family is so brain-dead it makes me seethe.
hey koichi cathc this knife i just stabbed myself with
wat--
:woahalt:OMG KOPPy WHAT THE F L I P
oh what the fuck :imontoyou:

It's like Good God woman you BIRTHED THIS MAN AND YOU ACTUALLY BELIIIIEEEVE THAT HE ACTUALLY WOULD STAB SOMEONE ajhrasjhfnmnaf WHAT KIND OF MOTHER ARE YOU BESIDES A BAD ONE
Did I mention I hate dishonesty and dullards?

In other news, I like some good ol' slice-of-life happenings. Like Konosuba. Love the interactions between the main four, and I find Kazuma pretty relatable. Good show.
I also like characters that make you feel good to be exposed to, like that one grey haired boy on uhhh Oregai(?). he can even make 8man smile and is just all-around rather precious I think :gwatchkissy:
Same goes for Kotaro's older bro on School Babysitters-- Kenyatta I think his name was? Haven't seen the actual show there but I've seen in clips that everyone likes him for a good reason-- to the point where people dislike that one girl for being tsundere towards him, because that attitude makes absolutely no sense.
Didn't mean to mention so many anime but it's all I could really think of-- oh yeah! I also really like Mr. Flynn-Fletcher on the aforementioned Phineas and Ferb, and uhh. I like Joseph Joestar (aaand we're back), and his ilk-- they're dicks but they're lovable dicks who in the end are still good people.

But yeah give me your thoughts on character and storytelling tropes that you love (and hate), it's always nice to get fresh perspectives on stuff.
 

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I, for example, love characters that are really good sweethearts, but like, they get asked to act like a villain and they're ridiculously good at it, making you wonder who exactly you're dealing with. Conversely, I HAAAAAATE characters who ACT like sweethearts and are ACTUALLY just vile rotting hay bales that need a match thrown into them, like Little Suzy on Phineas and Ferb. Smug little bastards like that need the Waluigi assist trophy to be sicced on them
As for story ideas, I dislike whatever trope is displayed in these bits: SpongeBob, where Squidward makes the Statue of David and misses out on billions because he gave the responsibility to the janitor; Simpsons Treehouse of Horror, where Homer ditches the supposed ideal future because it didn't have donuts, which would've been funny if they didn't immediately make a joke where it rains donuts T_T
I also dislike stupid misunderstandings, especially when it gets combined with that Little Suzy trope: take Tamami's The Lock from DIU. Koichi's family is so brain-dead it makes me seethe.

It's like Good God woman you BIRTHED THIS MAN AND YOU ACTUALLY BELIIIIEEEVE THAT HE ACTUALLY WOULD STAB SOMEONE ajhrasjhfnmnaf WHAT KIND OF MOTHER ARE YOU BESIDES A BAD ONE
Did I mention I hate dishonesty and dullards?

In other news, I like some good ol' slice-of-life happenings. Like Konosuba. Love the interactions between the main four, and I find Kazuma pretty relatable. Good show.
I also like characters that make you feel good to be exposed to, like that one grey haired boy on uhhh Oregai(?). he can even make 8man smile and is just all-around rather precious I think :gwatchkissy:
Same goes for Kotaro's older bro on School Babysitters-- Kenyatta I think his name was? Haven't seen the actual show there but I've seen in clips that everyone likes him for a good reason-- to the point where people dislike that one girl for being tsundere towards him, because that attitude makes absolutely no sense.
Didn't mean to mention so many anime but it's all I could really think of-- oh yeah! I also really like Mr. Flynn-Fletcher on the aforementioned Phineas and Ferb, and uhh. I like Joseph Joestar (aaand we're back), and his ilk-- they're dicks but they're lovable dicks who in the end are still good people.

But yeah give me your thoughts on character and storytelling tropes that you love (and hate), it's always nice to get fresh perspectives on stuff.
I also love whatever the hell Okuyasu is to bits. He's just got so many good qualities and characteristics that I like. "What?! I wanna look too!" "It's like, exquisite or some shit!" And then there's that plot he hatched to lure Shigechi over and snatch the lottery paper from him with Za Hando: that was rather clever for a drunk man.
 
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I love plots with an ancient evil that has been sealed away for a long time, and is let loose. Or when a lost civilization is discovered, that hides some kind of malicious secret. Throw in some kind of apocalypse (either in the past or potential future) and I'm sold.

Pretty generic, but whatever.
 
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i really like it when media frames exposition through new reports or documentaries (think robocop or surrogates)

ultraviolence in gritty sci-fi is a big plus


i like buddy cop media. my tastes are normie as fuck

one aesthetic I particularly appreciate is "heavily armored millitary man staring intensely at the viewer"



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I love the whole fantasy nations at war with one another, where like a super power empire is attacking a smaller, more rural nation, and you play the unexpected hero in the story.

Rival nations and like political intrigue often get my attention : p Its usually pretty fun when the villians in the game are like decorated army generals and junk.

I love stories where like the main character has a close friend, but the friend eventually betrays him. But I like it better when the betrayer believes they are doing the right thing, over just betrayimg for their own personal gain.

I also often like it when the villian of a game or story has some crooked logic to what their doing over mere personal gain as well.

I love the whole "power of friendship" thats so common with jrpgs : p If you think that stuff is lame, you can eat dirt : p I love it when the characters Im so invested in have a real bond and affection for one another.

I like love stories. In one jrp I liked, the main male and female characters had a relationship delevoping, but there was also a villian couple going through the same thing. I really liked that, thought it was awesome.

The one thing I often dont like about jrpgs is how preachy they can be. Some are great, and are just focused on the story of over coming evil. But many of them usually focus on some silly belief the creators must have had that usually annoy me and make me roll my eyes. Theyre almost always something generic, like "religion is bad" kinda nonsense. I wish these developers would stop feeling some gross need to push a lesson on their customers.
 

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Favourite/least favourite character types and story ideas? Oh boy, pull up a chair, this could be kinda long:

Character Types:

Villains that are written well tend to be favourites of mine, though I have to be honest and say that deep motives can also be ignored if the character design looks cool or their plans are interesting enough. On the other hand, if the villain looks terrible, has no personality and mostly exists to fill space (see Bellum and Malladus from the DS Zelda games for example), then they become some of my least favourites.

Same goes for the heroes too. Don't mind if a hero is nigh invincible, looks uninteresting or has no real personality, but if a character doesn't meet at least two out of three conditions, then I'll dislike them based on that.

Honestly though, if I had to say I disliked any character type in particular, it'd probably be the 'flat earth atheist' one. Always felt the trope was a lazy way for writers to attack science and sceptism by comparing them to a religion, as if the only reason people don't believe in gods or ghosts or mythical beings is because they hate the idea of them and don't want them to be real. If a character (especially a scientist) lives and works in a world where the supernatural is real, then they should believe in its existence, especially if they've seen/heard/interacted with it on a regular basis.

Finally, I dislike what I consider 'character point design'. What's that? It's when contrasts between characters are made on the assumption that humans are like Dungeons and Dragons characters and have a limited number of skill points to work with. For example, you've got the nice but dumb guy and the smart jerk, as if being good at something means having no social skills and being a misanthrope that others should tolerate because of your innate brilliance. Or popular vs unpopular kids at school, with the latter being smart but socially clueless and the former being dumb jocks and alpha bitches (TV Tropes wording), with the assumption that popular people are always moronic jackasses and unpopular people are nice and smart. Were tons of TV writers and cartoonists bullied at school or something?

Story Ideas:

For ones I like, well I like 'mystery' esque stories that don't involve crimes or other mundane things, but alien invasions and fantasty tricks. In other words, the kind of set found out in Doctor Who stories like the God Complex, Extremis or Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. Always liked the weird mystery box set up of trying to figure out why something strange is going on, and it turning out that the small things that don't seem quite right are all because reality is fake or something is trying to trick you.

I've also got a fondness for meta humour/jokes (see the Paper Mario series and Banjo-Kazooie series for example), though I'm also the kind of person who acknowledges it can be done very poorly as an excuse for bad writing (see perhaps much of Nuts and Bolts, and the Paper Mario games from Sticker Star onwards).

Finally, I also like works that don't take place on Earth or an alternate version of it, but in an entirely different world with its own rules and history. That's one reason I really like both the Mario and Zelda franchises, because they're not just 'Earth with magic, except there's a masquerade keeping normal people unaware', but entirely constructed worlds which function independently of it, and whose inhabitants are aware of/affected by its goings on.

As for least favourite story ideas and concepts... well I dislike the whole 'masquerade' concept in general to be honest with you. The whole 'good and evil are fighting in real life with magic and super science, but have to keep all of humanity unaware that they're not really living in boring old 21st century Earth' idea is really overdone in fiction nowadays, and always struck me as a trope which raises more questions than answers. Why should people be unaware of fantasy elements or super science? Why keep these things from society as a whole? Why pass off a much more interesting setting as yet another boring version of Earth which mostly seems to function like our world?

It doesn't make much sense really, and is why I'm glad the three major Nintendo franchises (Mario, Zelda and Pokemon) don't have a masquerade at all. The characters know their worlds are wacky places filled with monsters and alien invasions and weird technology and magic around every corner, and (when done well), it can be interesting to see how they cope with such a world overall. Like how in Breath of the Wild, you see Hylians going on holiday to places like Rito Village, Zora's Domain or Goron City, or how travellers come prepared with weapons, shields and healing food to fight off the regular monster attacks they'll encounter between towns/stables. How they avoided Guardian attacks at the last second, or how their fishing spots have been taken over by monsters/their livestock taken by them/etc. Same with Mario Odyssey, where you see NPCs from all over the world exploring each kingdom and taking part in local celebrations and what not. Or with Pokemon, where everything uses them, from crime to law enforcement to wars and building construction and electrical power and what not.


Also don't like the whole 'hollywood tactics' concept in general, or how easily humanity seems to lose to attacks by aliens/zombies/robots whatever. No, real life tactics do not come down to 'see enemy in open field, charge at it and fight hand to hand like in Braveheart'. The fact that's how fights seem to work in World War Z, Doctor Who (whenever UNIT is involved), The Matrix (especially the Animatrix Second Renaissance prequel) and others is embarassing, and only seems to be the case because writers need a cheap way to kill off the police/military so the hero can swoop in and save the day.

It also does intelligent enemies a disfavour too, since I'm sure an alien invasion/robot uprising would involve the other side using actual tactics in the same way as real life human armies do. Having them come up with plans to counter human forces and outwitting their foes instead of just blindly using force would make them feel genuinely threatening. To some degree, I think the Doctor Who episode Extremis did this well, since in that one the Monks had actually simulating Earth/Earth's history in their computer systems a few million times to figure out all the ways humanity could fight back, and the episode itself takes place in one of those simulations. It makes them feel like actual evil masterminds, and (at least til the next two episodes killed their credibility) made them seem like interesting villains.

But yeah, those are just my thoughts on the matter.
 

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1 Honestly though, if I had to say I disliked any character type in particular, it'd probably be the 'flat earth atheist' one. Always felt the trope was a lazy way for writers to attack science and sceptism by comparing them to a religion, as if the only reason people don't believe in gods or ghosts or mythical beings is because they hate the idea of them and don't want them to be real. If a character (especially a scientist) lives and works in a world where the supernatural is real, then they should believe in its existence, especially if they've seen/heard/interacted with it on a regular basis.

2 Finally, I dislike what I consider 'character point design'. What's that? It's when contrasts between characters are made on the assumption that humans are like Dungeons and Dragons characters and have a limited number of skill points to work with. For example, you've got the nice but dumb guy and the smart jerk, as if being good at something means having no social skills and being a misanthrope that others should tolerate because of your innate brilliance. Or popular vs unpopular kids at school, with the latter being smart but socially clueless and the former being dumb jocks and alpha bitches (TV Tropes wording), with the assumption that popular people are always moronic jackasses and unpopular people are nice and smart. Were tons of TV writers and cartoonists bullied at school or something?

Story Ideas:

3 For ones I like, well I like 'mystery' esque stories that don't involve crimes or other mundane things, but alien invasions and fantasty tricks. In other words, the kind of set found out in Doctor Who stories like the God Complex, Extremis or Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. Always liked the weird mystery box set up of trying to figure out why something strange is going on, and it turning out that the small things that don't seem quite right are all because reality is fake or something is trying to trick you.

4 I've also got a fondness for meta humour/jokes (see the Paper Mario series and Banjo-Kazooie series for example), though I'm also the kind of person who acknowledges it can be done very poorly as an excuse for bad writing (see perhaps much of Nuts and Bolts, and the Paper Mario games from Sticker Star onwards).

5 Finally, I also like works that don't take place on Earth or an alternate version of it, but in an entirely different world with its own rules and history. That's one reason I really like both the Mario and Zelda franchises, because they're not just 'Earth with magic, except there's a masquerade keeping normal people unaware', but entirely constructed worlds which function independently of it, and whose inhabitants are aware of/affected by its goings on.

6 As for least favourite story ideas and concepts... well I dislike the whole 'masquerade' concept in general to be honest with you. The whole 'good and evil are fighting in real life with magic and super science, but have to keep all of humanity unaware that they're not really living in boring old 21st century Earth' idea is really overdone in fiction nowadays, and always struck me as a trope which raises more questions than answers. Why should people be unaware of fantasy elements or super science? Why keep these things from society as a whole? Why pass off a much more interesting setting as yet another boring version of Earth which mostly seems to function like our world?
1: Jesus Christ, that is so fucking idiotic I can't believe that's a thing-- *remembers the younger brother from Halloweentown* Oh God you're right. Ooooo, tha-- mmmm, ooh I'm angry! "EUHHH, IT's PAPER MACHE" No you dipshit it's a living breathing skeleton have some respect
2: Yeah, that is pretty stupid, but I'm pretty sure the reason this one persists is because actual people aren't like that, so by default it almost falls into a sort of "romanticization" or "idealization" territory
3 Dude, I regularly think about "Praise... him." God Complex is such a good story. I also really liked the one where find "The Beast" in that asteroid, that was really cool, and I think also falls under this category you're talking about.
4: How true
5 mm. yeah-- I think Konosuba falls under this category-- Overlord too, perhaps
6 Harry Potter I think is the only example I can think of where this doesn't piss me off, because it actually makes complete sense-- Witch Hunts were literally A Thing, and on top of that Muggles can't use magic anyway, so what's the point in letting a bunch of nosy less-than-squibs bother them? Those who didn't fear them-- old people, knackers, middle-aged women, etc.-- would act like three-year-old children with all the questions and the why why how why bla bla bla, much too much trouble, I don't blame the Ministry and whoever else at all for thinking this. (By this line of thinking I suppose Wizards of Waverly Place also falls under this category... buuut it still leaves a bit to be desired in this regard.)
 

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1: Jesus Christ, that is so fucking idiotic I can't believe that's a thing-- *remembers the younger brother from Halloweentown* Oh God you're right. Ooooo, tha-- mmmm, ooh I'm angry! "EUHHH, IT's PAPER MACHE" No you dipshit it's a living breathing skeleton have some respect
Immediately felt the need to draw how this scene should have gone. Rather proud of the fist in panel 3
 

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