How strong is Wario?

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Figured this would be a good thread to talk about Wario's strength and to analyze his strength as well. I would argue Wario is one of the strongest characters in the Mario universe by not only raw strength, but also durability.
 

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A composite Wario would beat some serious ass. The man has invincibility which stems from his laziness to die and he can piledrive dinosaurs that are several times his size and weight.

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Let's see...
He can bash through walls with barely a scratch on him, is capable of beating, lifting and throwing both objects and emenies several times his size and weight with ease, can cause fucking earthquakes with a punch to the floor, is often considered one of the higher powerhouses in the Mario spin offs and probably several other feats that I can't immediately think of off the top of my head.

I think it's safe to say Wario is overall, one of the strongest characters in the overall Marioverse if we take everything into account.
 
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As strong as he needs to be. Generally he was at his toughest in Wario Land 2 and 3, and he's a fair bit weaker in the WarioWare series compared to the Wario Land one.

One thing is certain though; he's superhumanly tough, is strong enough to throw large monsters around like its nothing and can walk away from virtually any situation without a scratch.
 

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I'd say Wario's strength is inconsistent and that he seems to be portrayed as a lot less strong nowadays than he was in his "glory days." From the early days to the middle of his history, he's just downright nutty though. Even comparing him to Mario, he can easily walk away from things that mean an instant death for Mario, or on occasion even Bowser. He flings around a MASSIVE dinosaur like it's an action figure, can throw the Shake King hard enough for his helmet spikes to pierce the walls of his ship, etc. Even his other forms show how ridiculously durable he is. His body disintegrates in his Zombie form and occasionally his fire form, only for Wario to reform instantly. Vampires are well known for dying very quickly to sunlight, whereas Wario just turns back into his normal self upon exposure. And of course, in Wario Lands 2 and 3, he was just downright unkillable (except for Rudy's hand thing). Not to mention he has killed several demons and deities with his bare fists, whereas in other Nintendo games demons usually require some sort of magical or holy item to kill.

In Mario Spinoffs and Smash Bros, he's portrayed as one of the stronger characters, but less strong than Bowser and sometimes DK. I feel like arguments can be made for DK's strength, but I'm pretty sure both Wario and DK have greater feats of strength than Bowser. Also Wario is pretty weak in Smash Bros., where most of his attacks hit like a feather duster and from what I remember, got his butt kicked throughout Subspace Emissary. He also has some really bad instances of weakness where he can struggle to open the door of a port-o-potty in WarioWare.

To sum it up, Wario has ridiculous highs, and some extremely low lows. Comparing a "composite Wario" to the composite forms of all other Nintendo characters, I think there would only be a few that could actually best Wario. As of right now though, he isn't that strong.
 

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I'd have to go with the consensus that it's pretty inconsistent in the scope of Wario's complete history as a character. There are sort of these two alternate portrayals of Wario- in the main series it seems that he's portrayed as fat and lazy, yet ridiculously robust and capable of insane physical feats- at least, that is, when he actually wants to or has any reason or motivation to be so (he sits around like a lard ass whenever he's able to, and goes on adventures and beats the hell out of people whenever he has to). Whereas in the Mario spin-offs (i.e. Kart, Sports, etc.) he's just portrayed as fat and lazy and unwilling to do anything even slightly arduous.
 

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Maybe Wario is like a normal human in the sense of being in shape and falling out of shape. Could explain his highs and lows.
 

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I'd say Wario's strength is inconsistent and that he seems to be portrayed as a lot less strong nowadays than he was in his "glory days." From the early days to the middle of his history, he's just downright nutty though. Even comparing him to Mario, he can easily walk away from things that mean an instant death for Mario, or on occasion even Bowser. He flings around a MASSIVE dinosaur like it's an action figure, can throw the Shake King hard enough for his helmet spikes to pierce the walls of his ship, etc. Even his other forms show how ridiculously durable he is. His body disintegrates in his Zombie form and occasionally his fire form, only for Wario to reform instantly. Vampires are well known for dying very quickly to sunlight, whereas Wario just turns back into his normal self upon exposure. And of course, in Wario Lands 2 and 3, he was just downright unkillable (except for Rudy's hand thing). Not to mention he has killed several demons and deities with his bare fists, whereas in other Nintendo games demons usually require some sort of magical or holy item to kill.

In Mario Spinoffs and Smash Bros, he's portrayed as one of the stronger characters, but less strong than Bowser and sometimes DK. I feel like arguments can be made for DK's strength, but I'm pretty sure both Wario and DK have greater feats of strength than Bowser. Also Wario is pretty weak in Smash Bros., where most of his attacks hit like a feather duster and from what I remember, got his butt kicked throughout Subspace Emissary. He also has some really bad instances of weakness where he can struggle to open the door of a port-o-potty in WarioWare.

To sum it up, Wario has ridiculous highs, and some extremely low lows. Comparing a "composite Wario" to the composite forms of all other Nintendo characters, I think there would only be a few that could actually best Wario. As of right now though, he isn't that strong.
Wario in smash is a representation of WarioWare Wario, and they made him have many weak hitting moves (Aside from Waft and Shoulder Bash). To really represent him as a WW rep, they made him move surprisingly fast, but personally, I believe he should be strong for his smash appearance.
 

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I feel like spinoffs (minus Smash) especially Mario Party and Sports ones portray Wario as more of a macho greedy guy, which is what Wario should be like, of course with enough crude humor to be silly, but not overdoing it.
 

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Wario in smash is a representation of WarioWare Wario, and they made him have many weak hitting moves (Aside from Waft and Shoulder Bash). To really represent him as a WW rep, they made him move surprisingly fast, but personally, I believe he should be strong for his smash appearance.
We all have already seen RelaxAlax's video, thank you.

And can we please stop claiming that Wario is represented in Smash by WW, just because "Speed". Capitain Falcon is fast, just as F-Zero cars are, but no-one claims, that his moves like Knee of Justise (Forward-Air), represent F-Zero, just because CF is fast, and calls it a day. Same with Wario's moves like Up-Air (Clap) or Back-Air. Wario never used those in any form, yet everyone seems to claim, those are taken from WW, just because how fast he attacks. They are not from WarioWare: They are Smash originals. And these are the once, we have to get rid of, instead of replacing moves, that actually reference something. *Points at Smash For and Project M*

Also, Wario doesn't looks that fast in Smash. Maybe he was in Brawl, but he feels slower in latter games. (Or this is just me, idk)

Don't get me wrong: Wario in Ultimate is best Smash Wario by far in my opinion, but he still can be improved, to represent Wario Land and how strong he is (Without painting on clear references, like Side-Special). For example, Forward-Air. I feel like this is the one, Wario had to copy from Mario. Just imagine: Wario dunks his opponents. Wouldn't that be glorious and strong?
 

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We all have already seen RelaxAlax's video, thank you.

And can we please stop claiming that Wario is represented in Smash by WW, just because "Speed". Capitain Falcon is fast, just as F-Zero cars are, but no-one claims, that his moves like Knee of Justise (Forward-Air), represent F-Zero, just because CF is fast, and calls it a day. Same with Wario's moves like Up-Air (Clap) or Back-Air. Wario never used those in any form, yet everyone seems to claim, those are taken from WW, just because how fast he attacks. They are not from WarioWare: They are Smash originals. And these are the once, we have to get rid of, instead of replacing moves, that actually reference something. *Points at Smash For and Project M*

Also, Wario doesn't looks that fast in Smash. Maybe he was in Brawl, but he feels slower in latter games. (Or this is just me, idk)

Don't get me wrong: Wario in Ultimate is best Smash Wario by far in my opinion, but he still can be improved, to represent Wario Land and how strong he is (Without painting on clear references, like Side-Special). For example, Forward-Air. I feel like this is the one, Wario had to copy from Mario. Just imagine: Wario dunks his opponents. Wouldn't that be glorious and strong?
Garbon never said his custom moves are Warioware-inspired, more like his handling is which I agree with.

But Warioware isn't the enemy at all here, it's a part of his series and history. As MrLlort here said and as I have said, the true enemy here is the original moves that represent nothing which could be interchanged with moves that are a nod to something. A Smash character's moveset, if possible, should be a giant homage to their history and roots, from idle animations to specials. Sometimes you have to take extreme liberties when there's nothing really to draw from such as Captain Falcon, but with Wario there was a number of missed opportunities.

What I'd like to see is stuff like Wario's NAir being replaced with Balloon Wario, his down air being a ground pound with meteor capabilities, down-tilt being Flat Wario, and his walk cycle being that of WL2/3's.

Smash 2 did all of those suggestions I listed by the way, its Wario is just mind-blowingly awesome.
 
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