Puyo Puyo

[puyokid]

I wouldn't say that too much, but you can tell a difference in writing when comparing the novels to the games and there are some things I actually do like, like novel Schezo in general, I just don't approve of seeing relationships put under a rug like that, because to me that's direct defilement of canon.

Ah well, at least the fanbase has got me covered.

Well, I guess you have a point there. Still, I have to agree with you that it IS a bit bothersome that the Light Novels don't really seem to follow the games' canon. At least, in the sense of keeping some of the characters to form.

Also, can I just say that that is one amazingly cute Arle x Sig piece right there?

1. Vigorous Draco is not the same as Yon Draco, she's closer in look to that version then any of the other Dracos, but that's about it

Oh, I see. As a matter of fact, I checked the differences between them earlier today, and:

I feel like Vigorous Draco, at the very least, took some cues from Draco's Yo~n incarnation.

Still, I WOULD like to see Draco from Yo~n in Quest one day. Hey, if we could get Green Witch...

2. Maybe? There are way too many Quest characters for me to remember at the drop of a hat and this is the first time I'm hearing of a Quest character having any kind of relationship with an established character.

Well, here's the Dragon Clan I was talking about, with the last one (Yuanjiao) implied to be in a relationship with Draco, oddly enough. Maybe it's a mistranslation...

https://puyonexus.com/wiki/Category:PPQ:Dragon_Person_Series

And I see reinforcement of my personal canon of side-materials when they're in a whole other medium from the primary sources. In this case, the games are the primary sources, and the light novels the side materials.

Basically, my stance is that side-materials are canon...as long as they don't contradict the primary sources. Any parts where the primary source contradicts the side-materials renders at least that part of it non-canon, that part either not happening at all, or happening in a different manner.

In this case, the light novels are only canon so long as the games don't contradict them. If the games contradict a part of the light novels, then it's that part of the light novel is rendered non-canon, meaning that part either didn't happen, or happened in a different way. Of course, if the whole book contradicts the games in a way that it can't even be reworked, then it's non-canon entirely.

Yes, this is headcanon in this case, and it doesn't just apply to Puyo Puyo, but I felt like sharing. Does it sound stupid? Maybe. But I feel like it works.

Personally, I feel the same way. I mean, the Puyo Puyo series barely has any continuity in the games as it is, so the Light Novels probably don't need to worry too much about stepping on any toes. This being said, I've always had the headcanon that all of the Light Novels (prior to Ally's debut in the upcoming Novel) take place during the events of 20th Anniversary. Obviously, there's nothing really disproving that this is the case since 20th Anniversary is more or less a slice-of-life game in and of itself, with barely any stories linking to each other in-game. Just the Light Novels and their stories, no less.

 

[warelander]

Also, can I just say that that is one amazingly cute Arle x Sig piece right there?

Hehe, it is a personal favorite of mine, it's pics like this that make me go back to my way too big art stache again and again.

Still, I WOULD like to see Draco from Yo~n in Quest one day. Hey, if we could get Green Witch...

You never know, Quest in general does well with bringing back older designs or design elements, including some very overlooked examples, like how Rulue starts with her 20th design with the borders on being just a crotch window, mini dress, but goes back to her traditional design for her two highest levels or how Jan starts with short hair and eventually get's a ponytail, both of which being designs that were used in different Compile made games, heck, the ponytail was even a Saturn Madou Monogatari design element, not seen in any Puyo game before Quest.

Well, here's the Dragon Clan I was talking about, with the last one (Yuanjiao) implied to be in a relationship with Draco, oddly enough. Maybe it's a mistranslation...

https://puyonexus.com/wiki/Category:PPQ:Dragon_Person_Series

Ah, those guys, I have seen them before, but never lost much of a thought on them.

 

[puyokid]

You never know, Quest in general does well with bringing back older designs or design elements, including some very overlooked examples, like how Rulue starts with her 20th design with the borders on being just a crotch window, mini dress, but goes back to her traditional design for her two highest levels or how Jan starts with short hair and eventually get's a ponytail, both of which being designs that were used in different Compile made games, heck, the ponytail was even a Saturn Madou Monogatari design element, not seen in any Puyo game before Quest.

Yeah, you have a point there. I mean, Quest has brought back (in modern form) various characters that you'd never expect to see a return (Mandrake, Lycanthrope, Baromett, Succubus, Incubus, Sasori Man, Jan, Demon Servant, etc.) and outfits (Cool Schezo, Green Witch).

Speaking of which, I hope Rulue uses her traditional design (for her two highest levels) in a future game. That's not to say I hate her look from 20th Anniversary or anything, but her PP7 look (specifically with the small bit of extra jewelry and yellow trim on the bottom of her dress) would be nice to see return for a game. In Jan's case...Well, I just want her to return, period. Hopefully, with a ponytail. I don't know what it is, but I've never been too partial to the idea of her having short hair.

Ah, those guys, I have seen them before, but never lost much of a thought on them.

Same here. I mean, they look pretty cool if you ask me...Honestly, I am pretty excited about how these guys prove that there ARE more like Draco out there.

BTW, can I ask you something else? I'm pretty sure we've agreed on how Chronicles didn't have any..."memorable" areas, so what do you think you would add to the world design? Like, would you add an amusement park-like level or something?

Also, an adorable piece of art coming your way!

It's basically the 'A' Trio trying out each other's looks!

Specifically:
Arle's wearing Amitie's red Puyo cap.
Amitie tries to see if she can pull off Ringo's curly pigtails.
Ringo tries to pull off Arle's ponytail.

They're just precious little things, aren't they?

 

[warelander]

In Jan's case...Well, I just want her to return, period. Hopefully, with a ponytail. I don't know what it is, but I've never been too partial to the idea of her having short hair.

SEGA seems to consider the ponytail her default look, if her alt is any indication, I can go either way.

BTW, can I ask you something else? I'm pretty sure we've agreed on how Chronicles didn't have any..."memorable" areas, so what do you think you would add to the world design? Like, would you add an amusement park-like level or something?

While that would make things more visually interesting it wouldn't solve the main problem with Chronicle's areas, the complete lack of notable setpieces or area specific gimmicks, after all the Mario RPGs have used the usual Desert/Forest/etc since Super Mario RPG and still (almost) always manage to make them memorable, so the themes really aren't the problem.

Also, an adorable piece of art coming your way!

S' pretty cute, yeah.

 

[puyokid]

I know, Dragon Ball has little to nothing to do with Puyo Puyo, but I just wanted to post this for the sole sake of how Deadpool (in this video) is voiced by Xander Mobus (Satan in Puyo Puyo Tetris) and I really can hear the eccentric Satan alt. voice here..

 

[warelander]

I have had that on my mind for a while, but would anyone else here love an official album of Puyo Puyo remixes and arrangements?

I mean there are the vocal albums and I do love those, but yah know, I'm a sucker for videogame music and listen to albums like this all the damn time, so I'd love to see Puyo get a similar treatment.

 

[puyokid]

I have had that on my mind for a while, but would anyone else here love an official album of Puyo Puyo remixes and arrangements?

I mean there are the vocal albums and I do love those, but yah know, I'm a sucker for videogame music and listen to albums like this all the damn time, so I'd love to see Puyo get a similar treatment.

I'd like to see that myself. Honestly, I'm a little surprised a series like Puyo Puyo HASN'T (as far as I know, at least) done such a thing yet. Hey, maybe SEGA could use the orchestra remixes that were done a few months ago during that SEGA orchestra concert. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure SOMEONE (I think it was you, actually) posted a video here featuring said orchestral remixes.

Speaking of vocal albums, who HASN'T done theirs yet, anyway? I know for SURE that there's Draco, Raffine, I THINK Feli...anyone else I'm missing?

Also, could I trouble you for something? Do you still remember that Madou Monogatari fanfic? The one written by JelliPuddi? Well, I was wondering if you could ask J.P. when exactly does this story take place?

At first, I believed the fic takes place about 2-3 months after PP7, due to the fic stating that Witch and Skeleton-T got teleported from Arle's world that long ago, meaning that they'd probably be living in Suzuran/Primp by now. But later on, I noticed there's currently no mention of people like Panotty, Archan, Chico and her pet Dragon, Lagnus, Seriri, Jan, and so on. All of whom are Madou-era characters who appear in Quest, which takes place outside of Arle's dimension. Not to mention that Succubus and Incubus (both of whom are also playable in Quest) are simply mentioned in passing by the Count, which made me wonder if they're also living in Primp Town (or Pwurp Islands) by this time as well. All this being said, I've just been curious as to when exactly J.P. places this story.

 

[warelander]

I'd like to see that myself. Honestly, I'm a little surprised a series like Puyo Puyo HASN'T (as far as I know, at least) done such a thing yet. Hey, maybe SEGA could use the orchestra remixes that were done a few months ago during that SEGA orchestra concert. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure SOMEONE (I think it was you, actually) posted a video here featuring said orchestral remixes.

That was me yeah and there were occasional things of the sort back during the Compile era, you can find some playlists here :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBjWLQRQ9jpdQuYUOvfFY8A/playlists

Some of them (mainly the Puyo Puyo DX albums) aren't really my type of music to be honest, but it's something and I fully admit to being spoiled, thanks to Capcom and fans being so generous with Meguh Mayuhn remixes, with said remixes being what spawned my desire to see a similar thing for Puyo.

Speaking of vocal albums, who HASN'T done theirs yet, anyway? I know for SURE that there's Draco, Raffine, I THINK Feli...anyone else I'm missing?

There's also Strange Klug, Risukuma, Rider, Ms. Accord and Ecolo

Also, could I trouble you for something? Do you still remember that Madou Monogatari fanfic? The one written by JelliPuddi? Well, I was wondering if you could ask J.P. when exactly does this story take place?

I can send an anonymous ask, so you have to look out for the eventual reply.

You have to understand that I'm very shy and uncomfortable when it comes to asking people for things, especially with people that I haven't had much interaction with, so I'd rather not go much further.

 

[warelander]

http://puyoconfessions.tumblr.com/post/161744278478/quick-question-about-your-fic-does-it-take-place

There yah go buddeh.

 

[puyokid]

That was me yeah and there were occasional things of the sort back during the Compile era, you can find some playlists here :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBjWLQRQ9jpdQuYUOvfFY8A/playlists

Thanks! These are some really good tunes!

Some of them (mainly the Puyo Puyo DX albums) aren't really my type of music to be honest, but it's something and I fully admit to being spoiled, thanks to Capcom and fans being so generous with Meguh Mayuhn remixes, with said remixes being what spawned my desire to see a similar thing for Puyo.

Yeah, I see what you mean! In the event that we get such remixes, I'd LOVE to see remixes of "Final of Puyo Puyo", "Brave of Puyo Puyo", "Rejection of Puyo Puyo (Might not happen as it went unused in the original game), and "Zako Battle" from Madou Monogatari (SEGA Saturn). I know the last one is even MORE unlikely, but I can dream, right? What's more, I'm pretty sure Chronicles remixed that song, right? Or am I mistaken?

There's also Strange Klug, Risukuma, Rider, Ms. Accord and Ecolo

Oh, so that's who's left, huh? Well, thanks for telling me. I have to say, I REALLY want to add Popoi and Tarutaru to that list there, but we all know how THAT would turn out. Specifically, Popoi hasn't had a major role since the first Fever game, and Tarutaru was dropped as an important character to the series after Fever 2.

I can send an anonymous ask, so you have to look out for the eventual reply.

You have to understand that I'm very shy and uncomfortable when it comes to asking people for things, especially with people that I haven't had much interaction with, so I'd rather not go much further.

I just want you to know that I REALLY appreciate what you're doing here. Believe me, I do. Also, I'm sorry if you feel a bit uncomfortable doing this. I should have asked if you wanted to do it before anything. Honestly, I have a similar issue as well. ESPECIALLY when talking to a person face-to-face.

http://puyoconfessions.tumblr.com/post/161744278478/quick-question-about-your-fic-does-it-take-place

There yah go buddeh.

Thank you so much! So, it takes place AFTER 20th Anniversary and BEFORE PPT? Huh, I personally thought it took place after PP7 and before 20th, honestly. Well anyways, thank you SO much! As usual, I really appreciate this, bud!

 

[warelander]

I'm pretty sure Chronicles remixed that song, right? Or am I mistaken?

Nope, SEGA doesn't own any Madou exclusive music.

I REALLY want to add Popoi

Popoi already got a vocal version of his theme on the third album, which centered on non-human charas.

I just want you to know that I REALLY appreciate what you're doing here. Believe me, I do. Also, I'm sorry if you feel a bit uncomfortable doing this. I should have asked if you wanted to do it before anything. Honestly, I have a similar issue as well. ESPECIALLY when talking to a person face-to-face.

Don't feel sorry, I just figured that I should let you know that if I seem hesitant to do something along the lines of that, there is a reason and not because I don't want to do favors.

 

[warelander]

Also, completel unrelated, but can I just say that I'd honestly love if this was an actual Arle alt:

https://shigaru.tumblr.com/post/150230770805/warelander

I dunno bout you, but I think Arle actually looks pretty great in Sig's outfit, not to mention the flavor text that tries to explain the context behind it could be amusing, when trying to clarify why she was raiding Sig's closet.

 

[puyokid]

Nope, SEGA doesn't own any Madou exclusive music.

Really?? Dang it...now I'll never get to see "Zako Battle" remixed...or even appear in a future Puyo game for that matter...

Popoi already got a vocal version of his theme on the third album, which centered on non-human charas.

Oh, he was in the 3rd album? Well, guess that only leaves Tarutaru on my wishlist, as well as the obvious Draco, Raffine, Risukuma, Rider, Ms. Accord, Feli, Ecolo, and S.K. to get vocal themes...

Don't feel sorry, I just figured that I should let you know that if I seem hesitant to do something along the lines of that, there is a reason and not because I don't want to do favors.

I completely understand. Again, I should have asked a bit more if you wanted to do so.

Also, completely unrelated, but can I just say that I'd honestly love if this was an actual Arle alt:

https://shigaru.tumblr.com/post/150230770805/warelander

I dunno bout you, but I think Arle actually looks pretty great in Sig's outfit, not to mention the flavor text that tries to explain the context behind it could be amusing, when trying to clarify why she was raiding Sig's closet.

You know, Arle really DOES look good in Sig's clothes. Better than I ever would have expected actually.

BTW, I wanted to ask you something else.

Look at me with a straight face, and tell me you don't want to see this be a thing in a future Puyo game. I mean, not only would the demon return with a major role in a Puyo game, but it would also give Witch BIG role in a Puyo game since (arguably) Yo~n. Heck, the game could essentially be a modernized "Tower of the Magician"! With Schezo and the 'A' Trio recruiting help from the rest of the cast like in Yo~n, PP7, and Chronicles. Succubus, Incubus, Water Elemental, etc. could return as enemies, and so much more.

 

[warelander]

Hehe, I can't imagine where you got that one from, I wouldn't mind something like this and it would be a very different kind of role for Witch, but honestly in a game that heavily features the demon I'd much rather see Klug and Sig in the lead roles, since they are the ones who have a connection to him. Would be interesting to see Klug facing off against the demon that once took over his body and tried to kill a classmate and friend.

 

[puyokid]

Hehe, I can't imagine where you got that one from, I wouldn't mind something like this and it would be a very different kind of role for Witch, but honestly in a game that heavily features the demon I'd much rather see Klug and Sig in the lead roles, since they are the ones who have a connection to him. Would be interesting to see Klug facing off against the demon that once took over his body and tried to kill a classmate and friend.

Yeeeaaah...I found it in your Tumblr...

Still though, you have a point that Sig and Klug would probably be more heavily involved in the story.

Witch because Klug takes the book to her to use a spell that can unlock its true power and secrets, and after leaving her with it, she gets curious enough to want to open it and becomes possessed by the thing. She would essentially be a mix of Strange Klug (but even more threatening) and Dark Arle (everything about D.A. in PP7 being done right).

Sig because the demon would think that Witch has WAAAY more power to utilize (Well, in comparison to Klug maybe...) that it can take out Sig once and for all, getting its remains back in the process. In usual Sig fashion, he cares little for the plot, and he's just sucked into it without trying. Also, I'd love to see Sig and Prince Salde team up again.

Klug because Witch has the book in the first place and he'll get it back at ANY cost. Heck, as far as he's concerned, Witch unlocked the secrets of the book and its true power, and now she's being greedy and wants to keep it all for herself.

Schezo because HE WANTS HER!..........new powers. He also vaguely remembers how Wish went through a similar ordeal and he secretly feels somewhat obligated to rescue her granddaughter as a result.

The 'A' Trio...just because. Also, to be fair, I doubt Arle and Amitie would be comfortable with the idea of their friends (Witch and Sig) being in danger. As a result, they'd want to take initiative to save them before something happens. Ringo would probably just along for the ride.

Everyone else (the usual cast, with the addition of a few removed Madou-era and Fever-era characters) would be playable as usual, but in the story they WOULD be aware of Witch's creepy behavior. As a hilarious call-back, everyone else would ACTUALLY take notice of the fact that Witch's behavior is WAY off compared to how she usually acts. In comparison, Klug in Fever 2 went through the exact same problem and everyone either BARELY noticed and/or didn't give a hoot about Klug's predicament.

 

[warelander]

Also, to be fair, I doubt Arle and Amitie would be comfortable with the idea of their friends (Witch and Sig) being in danger. As a result, they'd want to take initiative to save them before something happens.

You are making it sound quite a lot like Sig's Secret and I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't appreciate a better take on that idea, one where Arle actually gives a toss about Sig and we get at least one moment that doesn't even need to indicate more then simple friendship, but goes a long way to show the comradery between two friends who have been appearing in the same games for over ten years now, perhaps even showing how their relationship has grown since then and in the process giving more spotlight to a character combination that has seen heavy neglect after 15th, as opposed to just having the same old ones we see every damn game anyways.

Yeah I'd like that, but what are the odds of there being even a single moment like that?

Speaking of underused dynamics, I'm very surprised we haven't seen many Ringo/Klug scenes, considering that they share the same good student trait, while having very different attitudes about it.

 

[puyokid]

If I'm being honest, the game would (more or less) become a slightly darker take on the endgame of 'Sig's Secret'. My additional idea was for the demon to eventually get full possession of Sig's body, jumping from Witch's body to Sig near the endgame and showing off just how fearful he is when he and Sig are one. Following this, he'd plunge Amitie's dimension into the Dark Ages (for a short time, obviously) resulting in the final battle taking place in his home of Ta-Doon-Da Castle. After the demon's eventual defeat, Sig would return to normal and in his usual fashion, would have little to no memory of the events that transpired and shrug it off as everyone having a get-together or something, leaving everyone except Amitie (and whoever else that is native to the Fever-era cast) completely befuddled as to how he can't remember what happened.

Quick note: Witch would still be under the demon's control. The demon would realize that Witch's power could prove useful to it again one day and leaves sort of a lingering mind control spell within her body. Obviously, with the defeat of the demon, Witch would be completely free from its mind control, and gives Klug what for for giving her that cursed book in the first place. Speaking of Klug, he believes that she still has the powers of the book lingering within her, and he tries to ambush her to get it back. Once he realizes that she's actually FREE from the demon's powers, he gets one heck of a beat-down from her, despite pleading that he had no idea.

Speaking of underused dynamics, I'm very surprised we haven't seen many Ringo/Klug scenes, considering that they share the same good student trait, while having very different attitudes about it.

Actually, that confuses me a bit as well. I mean, I know Ringo has very little to do with the Fever-era cast (Klug notwithstanding), but I can see them having some interesting interactions. Of course, it would probably result in Ringo (like everyone from the Madou-era in 15th Anniversary who met him) truly seeing Klug as the haughty, egg-headed smart-aleck that he truly is. Likewise, Klug would probably credit Ringo for being surprisingly intelligent for her age, but he (similar to Ess in PPT) would be a bit...annoyed by the fact that she asks questions that may be on a need-to-know basis and that she occasionally sticks her nose in places where it might not belong.

Yeah I'd like that, but what are the odds of there being even a single moment like that?

Wait, are you talking about my idea for a Puyo Puyo game with the story I posted above?

 

[warelander]

Wait, are you talking about my idea for a Puyo Puyo game with the story I posted above?

I was talking about improving on the thing that bothered me the most about Sig's Secret.

In other news today's Sig's birthday and fittingly enough tommorow he and Witch will finally get their alts from Touch into Quest, after being left out for so long, so horray for mah boi still doing so well there.

 

[puyokid]

I was talking about improving on the thing that bothered me the most about Sig's Secret.

Oh, OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

In other news, today's Sig's birthday and fittingly enough, tomorrow he and Witch will finally get their alts from Touch into Quest, after being left out for so long, so hooray for mah boi still doing so well there.

Happy birthday, Sig! You (mostly) emotionless cinnamon roll, you! And to celebrate this, SEGA's adding two cinnamon roll alts. (Kitty Sig and Kitty Witch) to Quest? This is awesome!

BTW, today is also the birthday of the demon (Strange Klug) who Sig's family is descended from!

 

[warelander]

Indeed, I would have liked to do something big for the occassion, as a means to pay tribute to my favorite character, but time simply didn't allow it, but the alt announcement did get me thinking, often times a certain type of alt, like christmas related ones will have several characters get an alt of the sort, even if they aren't considered a series, the flavor text for Sig's easter alt even has a reference to Salde's easter alt, which made me wonder which characters share the most alt types with Sig and this is the result:

Festival:
Rider/Rulue/Maguro

Crown:
Witch/Arle

Santa:
Arle/Schezo/Witch/Satan/Amitie/Ringo/Ecolo

20th:
Amitie/Satan/Feli/Ecolo

Sword:
Amitie/Raffine/Klug/Rider

Easter:
Salde

Chronicle:
Arle/Rulue/Schezo/Draco/Suketoudara/Witch/Carbuncle/Satan/Harpy/Seriri/Lagnus

Amitie/Raffine/Klug/Rider/Lemres/Feli/Ms.Accord/Salde/Yu&Rei
Ringo/Maguro/Risukuma/Ecolo/Ally

PPT:
Arle/Satan/Amitie/Ringo

Kitty:
Arle/Ringo/Witch/Raffine


Arle/Amitie 5
Witch/Satan/Ringo 4
Rider/Ecolo/Raffine 3
Rulue/Magoro/Schezo/Feli
Klug/Salde 2
Draco/Suketoudara/Carbuncle/Harpy
Seriri/Lagnus/Ms.Accord/Lemres
Yu&Rei/Risukuma/Ally 1


Useless, but still rather interesting trivia, I didn't expect Klug to share so few alt types with Sig, while Witch and Satan ended up having more then I expected.

Just something curious to think about, I doubt it means much, but it is interesting which characters get grouped in alt types a lot and well, the best part of it for me is of course the art that comes from it :

Spoiler: image dump