Puyo Puyo

puyokid said:
Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that yesterday. I just want to say that I more than agree with your points about Sig. As Fever 2 and 15th Anniversary have shown (I won't include 20th Anniversary, only because there's been barely any translation for that, so we can't really tell what going on in that game), he does NOT have a one-track mind in regards to bugs and he can be surprisingly perceptive.

I also felt like it showed well in 15th Anniversary with him being able to almost instantly tell that not only was Rulue not a resident of Primp, but she came from an entirely different DIMENSION of all things. Let's be honest, he could have easily believed she came from a neighboring town, yet her being from another DIMENSION was (more or less) his first guess.

BTW, there's also the fact that Sig was even willing to fight RULUE of all people for Arle's sake (And to be fair, there's nothing that says he wouldn't do the same for anyone else he cared about). Normally, anyone who isn't necessarily stronger than her (i.e. the 'A' Trio, Suketoudara, Draco, Witch, the students of Primp Magic Academy (Tarutaru included), etc.) is shown to be more or less TERRIFIED (or at the very least, GREATLY intimidated) of facing the "Fighting Queen". Sig (admittedly a possible result of his MOSTLY non-existent emotions) is quite possibly the ONLY Puyo/Madou character (who is NOT necessarily stronger than her) that I've seen who never showed off any "fear" of facing her in battle. IMO, that says a WHOLE lot.

Also, it's fairly obvious that bugs aren't the only thing that Sig cares about, as Amitie, Arle and the Fever-era certainly cast hold a place in his heart. That being said, I have to admit that it DOES annoy me more than it should that someone doesn't think that Amitie x Sig isn't possible just because he has an affinity for bugs. I mean, it's even shown more often than not that he cares for Amitie and all of his friends and even holds a lot of faith in them and trusts them more than we think.

Heck, PPT even shows us that Amitie's feelings for Sig are apparently MUCH greater than most believe, and that she'd like to be more to to him than just a friend. (Memory) Sig even shows that he's not exactly OPPOSED to being with Amitie in that manner, so for anyone who claims that he ONLY cares about bugs is VERY far off the mark there.
I should say that while trying to make a point about him caring about more then bugs was the main sticking point for me, it plays into something much bigger, mainly that there are far more facets to Sig's character then many tend to recognize.

This is, once again, very well shown in Fever 2 and 15th:

He shows a visible liking for eating, even getting convinced by Salde to help him out in exchange for food and shelter.

He is very absent minded and thus sometimes a bit slow, doesn't have a great vocabulary (even reflected in his japanese speech patterns) and can be rather childlike on occasion, but he's not dumb, as he is shown to be surprisigly on point and quick on the draw, when he puts his mind into something.

He is very ethusiastic about the tournament, in fact he generally shows interest in the happenings at hand, including the Memory of Chu.

He seems to have a certain desire to get rid of his anomalies, even consulting Akuma over it.

Those are just a number from the top of my head, but I think it get's the point across., reducing him to just ''spacey boy who likes bugs'' is a big disservice to his character,

Magma said:
I'd take Chronicles or even nothing over getting Quest overseas tbh.
I'd much rather get Chronicle as well, I can appreciate a number of things about Quest, but it's not something I'd play myself, the heavily Gacha based nature of it puts me off completely.
 
My main problem with most mobile games is that the actual gameplay feels more like just a means to the end. The gameplay is a chore in order to get the "rewards" but unlike non-mobile games it just overall feels tedious and hollow. I mean most people play to finish a game but the gameplay itself should be engaging to reach the reward.
 
I should say that while trying to make a point about him caring about more then bugs was the main sticking point for me, it plays into something much bigger, mainly that there are far more facets to Sig's character then many tend to recognize.

This is, once again, very well shown in Fever 2 and 15th:

He shows a visible liking for eating, even getting convinced by Salde to help him out in exchange for food and shelter.

He is very absent minded and thus sometimes a bit slow, doesn't have a great vocabulary (even reflected in his Japanese speech patterns) and can be rather childlike on occasion, but he's not dumb, as he is shown to be surprisingly on point and quick on the draw, when he puts his mind into something.

He is very enthusiastic about the tournament, in fact he generally shows interest in the happenings at hand, including the Memory of Chu.

He seems to have a certain desire to get rid of his anomalies, even consulting Akuma over it.

Those are just a number from the top of my head, but I think it get's the point across., reducing him to just ''spacey boy who likes bugs'' is a big disservice to his character,

All points that I totally agree with you on. Speaking of which, I'm a bit shocked I didn't add the whole situation about Prince Salde in Fever 2 on my last post.

BTW, in terms of Sig's anomalies, Sig consults Ms. Accord and Lemres about them now, right? You know, since Akuma isn't necessarily a real player in the main Puyo games anymore.

I'd take Chronicles or even nothing over getting Quest overseas tbh.

You know, if I'm being honest, I'd probably only want Quest released overseas due to the near-colossal amount of characters and deep lore it would bring alongside it. Otherwise, just like @warelander, the emphasis on Gacha would turn me off.

My main problem with most mobile games is that the actual gameplay feels more like just a means to the end. The gameplay is a chore in order to get the "rewards" but unlike non-mobile games it just overall feels tedious and hollow. I mean most people play to finish a game but the gameplay itself should be engaging to reach the reward.

This is something that I feel Nintendo seems to be avoiding to make their games more more accessible. At least as far as I know.
 
Ehhh, Pokemon Go (the Pokemon obviously), Fire Emblem Heroes (different characters), and Super Mario Run (different characters and some other things) all fall exactly into the trend I just described.
 
Ehhh, Pokemon Go (the Pokemon obviously), Fire Emblem Heroes (different characters), and Super Mario Run (different characters and some other things) all fall exactly into the trend I just described.

Wow, really? Well, I don't play mobile games all that often, so I wouldn't have noticed.

20th did that yeah, though in that game they felt the need to tie it into his bug obsession, as opposed to 15th, where it just seemed to be a desire to simply be normal.

Of course they would....I mean, I'm glad they even referred to him wanting to know more about his origins, but it just HAS to go back to bugs. I mean, really? Come on, SEGA...

BTW, I've got a question. In the event that Puyo Puyo Chronicles is released here, should be released on 3DS or the Nintendo Switch?
 
Hey, I just wanted to tell you that I finally found someone to help translate the Puyo stuff I've been trying to understand for a while now! That being said, here's a summary of the Arle and Schezo story.

This one, BTW: https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=48992263

Primp Town is having an influx of Puyo, heavily implied to be courtesy of (who ELSE?) Satan, and they need to get rid of them so Ms. Accord asks Arle and Schezo to take care of the downpour because they were the only ones she could contact on such short notice. She explains that the students of Primp Magic Academy are busy and Lemres isn't around at the moment. After seeing things for himself, Schezo doesn’t want to help and is preparing to bail, until Ms. Accord offers him food. There's also the addition of Arle complaining to Schezo that she has NO intention of dealing with these mountains of Puyo all by herself. The flood is never-ending and eventually they’re both exhausted. As a result, Arle is forced to spend some of her magic to heal Schezo, who is feeling more and more fatigued from his dark magic.

Eventually, the Puyo get angry at the duo due to them erasing their Puyo brethren. Arle does well in clearing them anyway but then is knocked out by a random fever rule set of puyo. Schezo runs out of magic and has to make a run for it with Arle in tow. Just then, Rulue saves them both, explaining to them that she’s already cleared 10 mountains of Puyo! In comparison, Arle+Schezo together only managed 7. Schezo mutters that Rulue isn't human and calls her a monster under his breath. Unfortunately for him, Rulue was still within earshot, and is about to beat him up when she notices Arle is knocked out. She suspects that Schezo finally did the impossible deed of stealing Arle's powers and once again prepares to tear him apart for harming her, but he protests because he hasn’t done anything.

Rulue, believing that things are the matter is all settled, gets ready to take her leave, but Schezo states (to his embarrassment) that doesn’t even have strength to stand up, let alone walk. So he asks Rulue to do something for him that she's probably not going to like...which is to carry the duo ALL the way back to Primp Town to see Witch. Schezo remembers that Witch has been working on a super healing potion that removes EVERY trace of fatigue from a person's body.

Witch claims that Arle and Schezo will be perfect test subjects for the potion, as she herself hasn't even tried it yet. She states that she's no fool to use her own potions without knowing if they work or not. Unfortunately for her, everyone else has the same mindset, resulting in a lack of test subjects for her. As such, Schezo takes the healing potion from Witch and drinks some of it, then returns the healing favor that Arle gave him earlier. Arle wakes up and he tells her to drink the rest of the potion. Arle takes his advice, and finds it to be extremely delicious, resulting in her drinking the ENTIRE potion to Schezo’s despair, as he wanted save some for any future emergencies. Arle realizes that she feels stronger than normal, and Schezo’s good deed for the day (healing Arle, AND keeping her safe from the armies of Puyo earlier) is outed by Witch, much his to his shock and embarrassment. Arle can't believe Schezo actually risked his life for her like that, though he constantly insists that he was only returning the favor of her healing him from earlier, as he doesn't tolerate unpaid debts, and then shouts at her that he’ll be taking her later, inadvertently sounding like a marriage proposal, much to Arle and Witch's (VERY dull) surprise, and Rulue's shock.

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Schezo and Rulue end up fighting it out as he tries to explain his missing words in his unfortunate sentence, Arle starts to wonder (in a somewhat bothered manner) where Carbuncle has been all day as not only is she a bit worried about his whereabouts, but also she and Schezo REALLY could have used his help with armies of Puyo invading Primp (possibly a reference to how Carbuncle is one of the best, if not THE best Puyo player in the Puyo games) and Witch begins contemplate in her head how some things just don’t ever seem to change with the Madou-era cast, no matter what world they just happen to end up in.

THE END​
 
Good for you, that you found someone to translate it.

Yeah, ain't that the truth!

3DS, I don't expect there to ever even be a Switch version.

Really? I mean, I have to agree with you since Nintendo themselves have said they have no intention of dropping the 3DS yet, but I would think that SEGA would want to release it on something more..."relevant" for newcomers to the series.

By the by, since Persona was brought up before, I figured I'd show off a piece of fan art, that puts Puyo characters into Persona 3 outfits:
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https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=45014814

Not gonna lie, I actually really love the way they look, especially Sig.

Wow, they really do look surprisingly good in those suits. Say.....is it possible that the appearances of the cast of PP7 were inspired by Persona (4)'s cast? I mean, Puyo practically went from a (mostly) magical suburban small-town (Primp) to...the "real world" where there's no magic to speak of. Specifically, a big fictional city in Japan (Suzuran). Also, Persona (4) was released a year before PP7, and to shockingly good sales and reception, so it's not too unlikely, right?

BTW, speaking of Persona.....
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Honestly, I'm a little surprised I haven't found anything like this for the cast of PP7 yet, considering the fact that they're practically Japanese schoolkids and were possibly inspired by Persona's success.

Sig with an Evoker is a strange sight.

Yeah, no question...
 
A random little tidbit about me...
You guys don't have to believe me, but I was the first person to upload a full Puyo soundtrack in great quality back in 2009 on Youtube


Really? That's cool! Wait, I take it you were the first to upload a high-quality rendition of "Final of Puyo Puyo"? If so....THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Also, I have a question for you all. Considering how characters like Lala and Camus are supposedly NOT owned by SEGA, who here would like a Madou game with Lala as the MC?
 
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What are you proposing? A sort of Compile Heart situation with a new Madou game but with a totally different setting and cast? If so, Lala wouldn't really be enticing enough for me.
 
A random little tidbit about me...
You guys don't have to believe me but I was the first person to upload a full Puyo soundtrack in great quality back in 2009 on Youtube
That's pretty cool, I think I even saw those uploads around, here and there.

puyokid said:
Really? I mean, I have to agree with you since Nintendo themselves have said they have no intention of dropping the 3DS yet, but I would think that SEGA would want to release it on something more..."relevant" for newcomers to the series.
Thing is that unlike previous games where the 2D artstyle made it easy to port them to any system Chronicle's 3D approach means that they would have to make new assets for everything from the ground up, to make it look presentable for a game on a HD console, between that, basic costs that come with HD titles in general and Chronicle not having done all that hot in japan last I heard, they are better off focusing that attention and resources on a new title, while bringing 3DS Chronicle overseas, if they deem it worth the effort.

puyokid said:
Say.....is it possible that the appearances of the cast of PP7 were inspired by Persona (4)'s cast? I mean, Puyo practically went from a (mostly) magical suburban small-town (Primp) to...the "real world" where there's no magic to speak of. Specifically, a big fictional city in Japan (Suzuran). Also, Persona (4) was released a year before PP7, and to shockingly good sales and reception, so it's not too unlikely, right?
That would go some ways to explain the drastic change in settings, from a rather timeless town to a very blatantly modern setting.

puyokid said:
Also, I have a question for you all. Considering how characters like Lala and Camus are supposedly NOT owned by SEGA, who here would like a Madou game with Lala as the MC?
I'm inclined to say that I don't want it, if only because it would be made by Compile Hearts, while I never played any of their games their reputation and some of their output that I have seen are enough for me to say that I'd rather have Madou stay dead.
 
Yeah I definitely uploaded those back when Puyo was a lot less known. Now that it's received more attention my uploads have gotten overshadowed but oh well
 
If you mean this then yes this was me

Yeah, I definitely uploaded those back when Puyo was a lot less known. Now that it's received more attention my uploads have gotten overshadowed but oh well

Cool!

What are you proposing? A sort of Compile Heart situation with a new Madou game but with a totally different setting and cast? If so, Lala wouldn't really be enticing enough for me.

I'm inclined to say that I don't want it, if only because it would be made by Compile Hearts, while I never played any of their games their reputation and some of their output that I have seen are enough for me to say that I'd rather have Madou stay dead.

I should mention the reason I ask is because of that Madou fanfic. I asked JelliPuddi and she said that Lala, Wish (Witch's grandma), and Dark Matter (YES, the main antagonist of TotM) are the main protagonists of the story. That's where I got the idea for a Madou game today to have Lala as the MC.

Still, it doesn't mean that I think C.H.'s "Moe" artstyle should touch Madou Monogatari in ANY way, shape, or form.

Thing is, that unlike previous games where the 2D artstyle made it easy to port them to any system, Chronicle's 3D approach means that they would have to make new assets for everything from the ground up, to make it look presentable for a game on a HD console, between that, basic costs that come with HD titles in general and Chronicle not having done all that hot in japan last I heard, they are better off focusing that attention and resources on a new title, while bringing 3DS Chronicle overseas, if they deem it worth the effort.

Huh, wen you put it THAT way...it probably WOULD be for the best to make a whole new 3D game. Speaking of which, I REALLY hope they would do a 3D game more justice than what Chronicles did.

That would go some ways to explain the drastic change in settings, from a rather timeless town to a very blatantly modern setting.

See? I know it seems like I'm really reaching here, but it just seems too timed to be coincidence. Not only that, but if I remember correctly, an unusual influx of anime starring schoolkids started airing in Japan in the late 2000's around the time PP7 was released in Japan. K-ON being an example.
 
See? I know it seems like I'm really reaching here, but it just seems too timed to be coincidence. Not only that, but if I remember correctly, an unusual influx of anime starring schoolkids started airing in Japan in the late 2000's around the time PP7 was released in Japan. K-ON being an example.
It is a popular trope in Japan as is, I guess that's just when it started to pick up even more? I'm nowhere near knowledgable enough about that to say for sure.
 
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