Puyo Puyo

[warelander]

OK, just wanted to be sure. Speaking of which, I remember you telling me this once before. That being said, I hope you're not annoyed by me asking about Fire Element and the whole "is he possible for SEGA-era Puyo games" thing.

Nah, s' all chill chap.

As for the likes of Sasoriman and Zoh Daimaoh, I'd still like to think that all of this is adding up to something for them as well. In terms of Gogotte, I'm a little surprised he was considered before Tarutaru or Akuma, but it's still nice to see him get acknowledged like this at all considering his sole mainstream appearance in Fever 2.

It does seem odd, especially since he was never even referenced afterwards, unlike Tarutaru who got a mention in 15th and Oshare, Baldlanders and Akuma, who got referenced (and even a cameo in Akuma's case) in PP7, but either way it's nice to see some love for at least one dropped Fever character, because they get screwed over all the time.

Also, I still can't BELIEVE "Darkle" was considered for Puyo Touch before Doppel. I'm praying that Dark Arle isn't really planned to return unless SEGA intends to do something worthwhile with her. Otherwise, Doppel NEEDS to come back, if for no other reason than to wrap up her character arc. What's more, what "narrative" reason would Ecolo have to possess Arle again? Well, other than trolling the entire cast like he did in PP7.

I won't say it can't possibly happen, but I doubt they would bring her back in a story significant way, if anything I'd expect her to keep overshadowing Doppel in spin offs and merch, which would be a bummer in it's own right.

Doppel is just in this weird position where I really can't say for sure where SEGA stands with her, I mean she did make it into Quest, unlike some others, so things can't be too bad, but the complete lack of anything else concerns me, she doesn't even have a measly alt, even though people would totally play for it.

I feel similary confused when it comes to Strange Klug, it took forever for him to get an alt, but it at least happened eventually, not to mention that even when he doesn't directly appear in a game (not counting his demon form) he's still often referenced, has shown up in merch and makes occassional appearences in Drama Tracks, most recently in a Puyo Chronicle one even, so he's by no means gone, but he's still not quite a regular and SEGA is just not doing anything big with him.

Speaking of villains I also really wonder what the future holds for Rafisol, if anything at all, by December it's going to have been a whole year since Chronicle came out, so by this point spoilers really shouldn't be an obstacle anymore for her to be added to Quest, at the very least and yah know, I'd just be very disappointed if she went away without a trace, she has potential for more, particulary I'd really like to see her get at least a bit of interaction with Sig, considering all the things they have in common.

Also, completely random, but can I just say that I love the way these LINE Stickers for Ally and Sig look when put together, especially without context?

It just fits so well with my ''Sig being oblivious to girls' affection for him'' headcanon, that it's actually kind of incredible.

 

[JS Shantae]

Oh my god I love her!

 

[puyokid]

It does seem odd, especially since he was never even referenced afterwards, unlike Tarutaru who got a mention in 15th and Oshare, Baldanders and Akuma, who got referenced (and even a cameo in Akuma's case) in PP7, but either way it's nice to see some love for at least one dropped Fever character, because they get screwed over all the time.

I know, it's so odd, isn't it? Say, I know about Ms. Accord's little shout-out to Tarutaru in 15th, and the shout-outs to Oshare Bones and Akuma in PP7 by Amitie and Feli respectively, but I haven't heard of any references being made to Baldanders ever since his appearance in 15th. Is there something I've been missing here?

I won't say it can't possibly happen, but I doubt they would bring her back in a story significant way, if anything I'd expect her to keep overshadowing Doppel in spin offs and merch, which would be a bummer in it's own right.

Doppel is just in this weird position where I really can't say for sure where SEGA stands with her, I mean she did make it into Quest, unlike some others, so things can't be too bad, but the complete lack of anything else concerns me, she doesn't even have a measly alt, even though people would totally play for it.

Oh, man. I REALLY hope that isn't the case. In my opinion, it's not like SEGA even did anything truly significant with Dark Arle in PP7 to truly warrant all this recent merch for her. The only things I'll probably give her credit for are her imposing robes (her default outfit) and her Valkyrie alt.

Seriously, it's so difficult to tell just WHERE SEGA stands with Doppelganger Arle these days. Heck, I'm praying she's the main focus of the next Puyo game, but that's starting to seem like more and more of a pipe dream. Still though, we shouldn't rule out Doppel's surprise appearance in the 5th Drama CD (although I'm still a bit fuzzy on the details of her appearance in that).

I feel similarly confused when it comes to Strange Klug, it took forever for him to get an alt, but it at least happened eventually, not to mention that even when he doesn't directly appear in a game (not counting his demon form) he's still often referenced, has shown up in merch and makes occasional appearances in Drama Tracks, most recently in a Puyo Chronicle one even, so he's by no means gone, but he's still not quite a regular and SEGA is just not doing anything big with him.

This is something that I'm still conflicted on today. I mean, what could SEGA do with Strange Klug that either wouldn't result in him getting all stagnant as a gimmick for Klug (and Sig) over time, yet doesn't totally remove the concept of him for the series' narrative.

BTW, he appeared in a Puyo Chronicles Drama Track recently? How?

Speaking of villains, I also really wonder what the future holds for Rafisol, if anything at all, by December it's going to have been a whole year since Chronicle came out, so by this point spoilers really shouldn't be an obstacle anymore for her to be added to Quest, at the very least and yah know, I'd just be very disappointed if she went away without a trace, she has potential for more, particularly I'd really like to see her get at least a bit of interaction with Sig, considering all the things they have in common.

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about her just yet. I mean, if we're being technical and all, Chronicles' 1-year anniversary isn't for another 2-3 weeks. Rafisol's probably being saved for that or something.

That being said, I do hope Rafisol (and Ally, for that matter) isn't completely dropped from the series. At least with the Puyo Tetris-exclusive cast, it makes sense as to why any future appearances from them would be (insanely) limited, but Raf and Ally don't exactly have that limitation to deal with. What's more, I feel as if Chronicles was setting up something for Raf. From what I've heard and seen, she seemed to get a lot of development in the post-game campaign, but even then, I don't want to see SEGA drop her like how they more or less did with Doppelganger Arle.

Honestly, Sig aside, I feel like she had room for more interaction with the rest of the cast outside of the 'A' Trio, Satan, and Ecolo. Just like with Doppel, I've always wanted to see how the cast (outside of the usual 5 or so) reacts to a clone character. The only other time it seems to happen was with Doppel. Schezo in Waku Puyo Dungeon, and even then, it was just the ARS trio of the Madou-era, Carbuncle, Minotauros, and Satan who came across him.

Also, completely random, but can I just say that I love the way these LINE Stickers for Ally and Sig look when put together, especially without context?

It just fits so well with my ''Sig being oblivious to girls' affection for him'' headcanon, that it's actually kind of incredible.

Oh, my gosh! It really does! I mean, I doubt SEGA TRULY intended this, but still...

Oh my god I love her!
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Wow, really? Cool! I still kind of wish SEGA used her Dominatrix look for her Quest, as I can't say I'm totally big on the Morrigan Aensland look, but I'll take what I get, I suppose. To this day, I'm still holding out hope that she and Incubus return for a future mainstream game. I mean, they've already returned for Puyo Quest, so that's a start!

 

[warelander]

I know, it's so odd, isn't it? Say, I know about Ms. Accord's little shout-out to Tarutaru in 15th, and the shout-outs to Oshare Bones and Akuma in PP7 by Amitie and Feli respectively, but I haven't heard of any references being made to Baldanders ever since his appearance in 15th. Is there something I've been missing here?

Nevermind, I thought he was mentioned in one of the post match quotes during the stage with Feli, but I remembered it wrong.

Seriously, it's so difficult to tell just WHERE SEGA stands with Doppelganger Arle these days. Heck, I'm praying she's the main focus of the next Puyo game, but that's starting to seem like more and more of a pipe dream. Still though, we shouldn't rule out Doppel's surprise appearance in the 5th Drama CD (although I'm still a bit fuzzy on the details of her appearance in that).

Ah yeah, there was that, it's something at least.

This is something that I'm still conflicted on today. I mean, what could SEGA do with Strange Klug that either wouldn't result in him getting all stagnant as a gimmick for Klug (and Sig) over time, yet doesn't totally remove the concept of him for the series' narrative.

BTW, he appeared in a Puyo Chronicles Drama Track recently? How?

To be honest I feel like SEGA is keeping him from any big roles because it would conflict with the current formula, after all it would require another villain getting a bigger role then Satan and Ecolo and Sig getting a major role and we can't have that now, can we?

As for the drama track, you can hear him here (31:10) :

Beats me what the context is.

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about her just yet. I mean, if we're being technical and all, Chronicles' 1-year anniversary isn't for another 2-3 weeks. Rafisol's probably being saved for that or something.

We'll see.

That being said, I do hope Rafisol (and Ally, for that matter) isn't completely dropped from the series. At least with the Puyo Tetris-exclusive cast, it makes sense as to why any future appearances from them would be (insanely) limited, but Raf and Ally don't exactly have that limitation to deal with. What's more, I feel as if Chronicles was setting up something for Raf. From what I've heard and seen, she seemed to get a lot of development in the post-game campaign, but even then, I don't want to see SEGA drop her like how they more or less did with Doppelganger Arle.

If nothing else Raf not being a villain anymore in the post-game might put her in a more favorable position then certain other neglected villains.

Honestly, Sig aside, I feel like she had room for more interaction with the rest of the cast outside of the 'A' Trio, Satan, and Ecolo. Just like with Doppel, I've always wanted to see how the cast (outside of the usual 5 or so) reacts to a clone character. The only other time it seems to happen was with Doppel. Schezo in Waku Puyo Dungeon, and even then, it was just the ARS trio of the Madou-era, Carbuncle, Minotauros, and Satan who came across him.

Of course, but I brought up Sig specifically because they have a basis for any interactions going forward, think about it: Raf is aware that she is a creation of dark magic, which is considered evil (Madou Monogatari in particular strongly goes into this, even with Schezo) and is strongly implied to suffer from self-loathing because of that. Sig on the other hand also has his family origin in something that could be considered evil (demon) but he is ignorant to said origins Would be interesting to see this acknowledged in canon, because if anything Sig would be someone that would make sense to help her get over her bad feelings towards herself, especially in a scenario where he finds out about his demon nature. Yah know, that would be using a character effectively.

 

[puyokid]

Nevermind, I thought he was mentioned in one of the post match quotes during the stage with Feli, but I remembered it wrong.

Really? Aw, that's too bad. Personally, I was hoping that I was wrong, and Feli really DID mention Baldanders in some way in PP7. Oh, well.

Ah yeah, there was that, it's something at least.

You know, I feel like I might not have been too clear on the details surrounding her presence in that story. Specifically, it would appear that Doppel gets a...resolution(?) to her arc, in which she lands in what is essentially a mirror version of Amitie's entire reality as a whole.

Yeah...I'd rather take her being Arle's sister or roommate, personally. Something about her finding an alternate Primp to reside in seems...I don't know how to describe it, but I'm glad these stories aren't exactly canon...

To be honest I feel like SEGA is keeping him from any big roles because it would conflict with the current formula, after all it would require another villain getting a bigger role then Satan and Ecolo and Sig getting a major role and we can't have that now, can we?

Ah, classic SEGA. Always going that stagnant route when it comes to Puyo Puyo.

As for the drama track, you can hear him here (31:10) :

Beats me what the context is.

If only I knew Japanese. Even a little.

If nothing else, Raf not being a villain anymore in the post-game might put her in a more favorable position then certain other neglected villains.

I wouldn't worry too much on that front. For the most part, Rafisol seems to be mostly self-loathing at her very worst, simply questioning her existence.

Of course, but I brought up Sig specifically because they have a basis for any interactions going forward, think about it: Raf is aware that she is a creation of dark magic, which is considered evil (Madou Monogatari in particular strongly goes into this, even with Schezo) and is strongly implied to suffer from self-loathing because of that. Sig on the other hand also has his family origin in something that could be considered evil (demon) but he is ignorant to said origins Would be interesting to see this acknowledged in canon, because if anything Sig would be someone that would make sense to help her get over her bad feelings towards herself, especially in a scenario where he finds out about his demon nature. Yah know, that would be using a character effectively.

Huh, I guess I just never really noticed the similarities between the two. You do bring up a pretty good point though. What's more, your idea could bring the backstory of Sig's bloodline back to the forefront, as well as give Sig some real screen-time. I'll be honest, I feel as if your Sig/Doppel fanfic would actually work quite well in canon with Sig/Rafisol more than Sig/Doppel, if you don't mind me saying.

BTW, I'd like to ask you, in the event that Tarutaru and Gogotte were brought back for a game, how do you think they would interact with the cast? Random question, I know, but those two have been on my mind for a while now.

 

[warelander]

You know, I feel like I might not have been too clear on the details surrounding her presence in that story. Specifically, it would appear that Doppel gets a...resolution(?) to her arc, in which she lands in what is essentially a mirror version of Amitie's entire reality as a whole.

Yeah...I'd rather take her being Arle's sister or roommate, personally. Something about her finding an alternate Primp to reside in seems...I don't know how to describe it, but I'm glad these stories aren't exactly canon...

Granted I don't know the circumstances that lead to this event but yeah....this idea doesn't really click with me, her turning around and becoming an ally or at least a neutral party would be a much more fulfilling resolution then to just throw her into a mirror world, never to be seen again. If nothing else the games are at least unlikely to make reference to this.

Huh, I guess I just never really noticed the similarities between the two. You do bring up a pretty good point though. What's more, your idea could bring the backstory of Sig's bloodline back to the forefront, as well as give Sig some real screen-time. I'll be honest, I feel as if your Sig/Doppel fanfic would actually work quite well in canon with Sig/Rafisol more than Sig/Doppel, if you don't mind me saying.

I don't mind, I mean I did use the ''evil origin, doesn't mean you have to be bad'' angle with Doppel as well, to link her with Sig, but it does work even more with Rafisol, since not only does she show open distain for her origins in canon, but she actually mirrors Sig in other ways as well, having the same flat manner of speech or the perpetually half-open eyes:

(Funnily enough some comments on the video even make the Sig comparison as well)

When I first saw her I kept wondering if there was some intention with those similarities, I'm rather unsure whether it was now, but I'd be baffled if the games never did anything with it, because it just feels like such an obvious idea, much like having Sig meet Honey Bee and Kodomo Dragon, which they actually did do eventually (and it did not disappoint), even if it just ends up as a brief Quest Manzai, I'd happily take it.

BTW, I'd like to ask you, in the event that Tarutaru and Gogotte were brought back for a game, how do you think they would interact with the cast? Random question, I know, but those two have been on my mind for a while now.

Considering Gogotte's eccentic nature I'd imagine he would weird much of the cast out, in a variety of ways, though a number of charas would like him for those reasons as well, after all he's weird, but ultimately harmless and rather friendly.

The thing about Tarutaru is that outside of his more...loony moments in regards to his crush on Raffine, Taru is actually a pretty normal dude, so I'd imagine he would be more of a reactor to others' antics, like (early) Arle, Ringo and T tend to be, though unlike them (safe for Arle after a certain point) I kinda see him as being more accustomed to the weirdness around him, not sure why, but that's how I tend to see him.

 

[puyokid]

Granted, I don't know the circumstances that lead to this event, but yeah....this idea doesn't really click with me, her turning around and becoming an ally or at least a neutral party would be a much more fulfilling resolution then to just throw her into a mirror world, never to be seen again. If nothing else the games are at least unlikely to make reference to this.

My thoughts exactly. I mean, I GUESS it's a...happy(?) ending for Doppel, but I feel like she deserves SO much better than just that. This is even why I think the idea of her being Arle's sister (or at the very least, friend and roommate) feels like more of a resolution than what that Drama CD track gave us. As you've already said, at the very least, I doubt SEGA counts these stories as canon, so I guess that's a plus.

I don't mind. I mean, I did use the ''evil origin doesn't mean you have to be bad'' angle with Doppel as well, to link her with Sig, but it does work even more with Rafisol, since not only does she show open disdain for her origins in canon, but she actually mirrors Sig in other ways as well, having the same flat manner of speech or the perpetually half-open eyes:

(Funnily enough some comments on the video even make the Sig comparison as well)

When I first saw her, I kept wondering if there was some intention with those similarities, I'm rather unsure whether it was now, but I'd be baffled if the games never did anything with it, because it just feels like such an obvious idea, much like having Sig meet Honey Bee and Kodomo Dragon, which they actually did do eventually (and it did not disappoint), even if it just ends up as a brief Quest Manzai, I'd happily take it.

Yeah, you have a point there. Actually, can I just say that even in the event of us only getting a cutscene in Quest featuring them, I'd love to see Sig and Rafisol interact? I really feel like SEGA might have quite a bit more material to work with on that front than most think.

Also, I'd like to mention now that we shouldn't forget that even today, Doppel's end goals (as in, following her goal of replacing Arle from all future recorded history) were never exactly made...clear in Yo~n, yet the majority of Rafisol's character was definitely addressed in the post-game campaign of Chronicles. A luxury that Doppelganger Arle never got, unfortunately.

Considering Gogotte's eccentric nature, I'd imagine he would weird much of the cast out, in a variety of ways, though a number of charas would like him for those reasons as well, after all he's weird, but ultimately harmless and rather friendly.

Yep, that sounds like Gogotte all right. In addition to what you said about him, I personally imagine him to essentially be the Fever-era's answer to Witch and Risukuma. Heck, I honestly wouldn't be all that shocked if THAT's even what SEGA intended for the adorable little weirdo to be altogether, had they not dropped him from the "mainstream" games after Fever 2.

The thing about Tarutaru is that outside of his more...loony moments in regards to his crush on Raffine, Taru is actually a pretty normal dude, so I'd imagine he would be more of a reactor to others' antics, like (early) Arle, Ringo and T tend to be, though unlike them (save for Arle after a certain point) I kinda see him as being more accustomed to the weirdness around him, not sure why, but that's how I tend to see him.

Yeah, I figured you might say that about the big guy. Don't get me wrong, I am aware of how he doesn't exactly have too much to work with aside from being the (mostly) Only Sane Man of Ms. Accord's class, despite being in two "mainstream" games plus Puyo Quest (I still like him all the same, though).

BTW, you might have seen some of my Tumblr posts detailing how I'd like to see Taru return to the series. For the record, I'm not saying he should be tied to her like how Sig seems to be too tied to Amitie as of recent, but I would like to see Taru have more of a big brother role to Rider, expanding on his role to her in Fever 1. Honestly, Satan and Draco (IMO) don't seem to be filling that role as well as I'd hope for them to. Well, Draco anyway.

Also, I have another question for you, if you don't mind. This time, how do you think the likes f Doppelganger Arle, Succubus, and Incubus would interact with the cast? As in, including the characters we have today as of Fever 1.

Personally, I think Doppel would basically be going through the same turmoil Rafisol went through, albeit more...aggressive in her actions. Specifically, she'd initially be more of a "Chaotic Neutral" (Personally, I'd be more than cool if SEGA decided to keep Doppel as this for all future appearances) to the cast at first, and would later be "Chaotic Good", doing her own thing and if Arle and her friends don't like it, they could just as easily bite her.

Quick note: Do you think you could reblog my Kikimora/Black Kikimora post from earlier today?

 

[warelander]

My thoughts exactly. I mean, I GUESS it's a...happy(?) ending for Doppel, but I feel like she deserves SO much better than just that. This is even why I think the idea of her being Arle's sister (or at the very least, friend and roommate) feels like more of a resolution than what that Drama CD track gave us. As you've already said, at the very least, I doubt SEGA counts these stories as canon, so I guess that's a plus.

Canon status of non-game materials are always dubious one way or another, unless directly stated otherwise, I'd just rather not have this as canon, because even taking my opinions on it aside, I just dislike the idea of Doppel being done away with like that, without even another game appearence, I mean if this has to be it then at least send her off in a game, instead of doing it unceremoniously in a piece of supplementary material that not everyone is going to know of.

Yeah, you have a point there. Actually, can I just say that even in the event of us only getting a cutscene in Quest featuring them, I'd love to see Sig and Rafisol interact? I really feel like SEGA might have quite a bit more material to work with on that front than most think.

Oh totally and I know that Raf's similaritys to Sig likely were mostly a side effect of her being essentially an inverse of Ally, but that doesn't change the fact that they are there and lend themselves well to establish a dynamic between the two and I doubt that nobody at Sonic Team caught on to that, when they created her, especially since the series is not at all shy when it comes to pointing out similarities between characters or trying to find a linking point between them, I mean they found a way to link Sig and Jan for a Quest Manzai that even I never thought of before, let that speak for itself.

It's also just that yah know, while I give Chronicle's narrative and character usage credit for a number of things there were some things that I wasn't happy with and Sig was one of them, given that this game is the absolute biggest example of bugs and Amitie taking over his character that we have seen so far and trying to do something with him and Rafisol, even if it wasn't a lot, would have been a nice relief from that blatant flanderization he went through in that game.

Also, I'd like to mention now that we shouldn't forget that even today, Doppel's end goals (as in, following her goal of replacing Arle from all future recorded history) were never exactly made...clear in Yo~n, yet the majority of Rafisol's character was definitely addressed in the post-game campaign of Chronicles. A luxury that Doppelganger Arle never got, unfortunately.

Yeah, Rafisol is similar to the Tetris characters in that regard, where we are left with a conclusive enough note, in case we never seen them again, Doppel is someone who feels like there was more planned for her, but that ended up getting derailed, leaving a lot things about her vague and open without resolution, where as with Rafisol via the post-game of Chronicle we know that she is just learning to understand love, has trouble expressing emotions and feels like she doesn't deserve company or love, due to her being a being of darkness. At the same time she does genuinely like being with the group and hopes to one day accept herself and allow herself to be loved, which leaves room for more, but also makes for a good enough ending point, if she doesn't show up again, because in her case we can at least assume that she got her happy end eventually.

BTW, you might have seen some of my Tumblr posts detailing how I'd like to see Taru return to the series. For the record, I'm not saying he should be tied to her like how Sig seems to be too tied to Amitie as of recent, but I would like to see Taru have more of a big brother role to Rider, expanding on his role to her in Fever 1. Honestly, Satan and Draco (IMO) don't seem to be filling that role as well as I'd hope for them to. Well, Draco anyway.

That's something that has always been implied about him, even the one Quest Manzai with him, that I know of, has him with Rider, so why not develop it a little more?

Also, I have another question for you, if you don't mind. This time, how do you think the likes f Doppelganger Arle, Succubus, and Incubus would interact with the cast? As in, including the characters we have today as of Fever 1.

Not sure about Incubus or Succubus, when it comes to Doppel though, judging from her flavor text lines in Quest it's safe to say that she isn't inherently hostile towards others (only really resenting Arle, unless she develops out of it) and I can even see her taking a liking towards several members of the cast, with that said she would mostly do her own thing and be pretty scathing towards the more conflict prone characters, finding Klug and Raffine insufferable or calling Rulue's hopeless pursuit of Satan pathetic right in her face. Post-development her main concern would be tying to find her own place in the world and among the cast, still mostly keeping to herself, but providing occasional assistance in urgent times.

Quick note: Do you think you could reblog my Kikimora/Black Kikimora post from earlier today?

Sure why not

 

[puyokid]

Canon status of non-game materials are always dubious one way or another, unless directly stated otherwise. I'd just rather not have this as canon, because even taking my opinions on it aside, I just dislike the idea of Doppel being done away with like that, without even another game appearance. I mean, if this has to be it then at least send her off in a game, instead of doing it unceremoniously in a piece of supplementary material that not everyone is going to know of.

Exactly my thoughts. Luckily, I don't think Doppel's truly been sent off from the series permanently or anything. At the very worst, she's been sent off for the Drama CDs, and even then, I doubt that this will stick or anything. As in, Doppel will (hopefully) return to the Drama CDs soon.

Oh totally and I know that Raf's similarities to Sig likely were mostly a side effect of her being essentially an inverse of Ally, but that doesn't change the fact that they are there and lend themselves well to establish a dynamic between the two and I doubt that nobody at Sonic Team caught on to that, when they created her, especially since the series is not at all shy when it comes to pointing out similarities between characters or trying to find a linking point between them, I mean they found a way to link Sig and Jan for a Quest Manzai that even I never thought of before, let that speak for itself.

It's also just that yah know, while I give Chronicle's narrative and character usage credit for a number of things there were some things that I wasn't happy with and Sig was one of them, given that this game is the absolute biggest example of bugs and Amitie taking over his character that we have seen so far and trying to do something with him and Rafisol, even if it wasn't a lot, would have been a nice relief from that blatant flanderization he went through in that game.

After SEGA actually found a way to have Sig and Jan (of all people) have some form of a connection, I feel like Sig and Rafisol certainly have chemistry for interaction that would actually seem very much legit. I mean, they could easily have Sig be one of the reasons as to why Rafisol begins to lose more and more of her self-loathing traits.

As for Sig's flanderization, I'm not saying that Sig and Amitie should outright stop interacting, or that Sig should no longer be a bug enthusiast, but they really need to limit this stuff these days. I mean, he was one of the main characters of a mainstream game at one point (Fever 2), not to mention that he was quite the intricate character in said game and 15th.

Yeah, Rafisol is similar to the Tetris characters in that regard, where we are left with a conclusive enough note, in case we never seen them again. Doppel is someone who feels like there was more planned for her, but that ended up getting derailed, leaving a lot things about her vague and open without resolution, where as with Rafisol via the post-game of Chronicle we know that she is just learning to understand love, has trouble expressing emotions and feels like she doesn't deserve company or love, due to her being a being of darkness. At the same time, she does genuinely like being with the group and hopes to one day accept herself and allow herself to be loved, which leaves room for more, but also makes for a good enough ending point, if she doesn't show up again, because in her case we can at least assume that she got her happy end eventually.

Yeah, you pretty much summed up what I've been wanting to say about Doppel and her similarities to Rafisol.

That's something that has always been implied about him, even the one Quest Manzai with him, that I know of, has him with Rider, so why not develop it a little more?

Oh, wow. There's even a Quest cutscene featuring him and Rider? I had no idea. Well, if that's the case, SEGA could easily build off of it in the event that Tarutaru is brought back.

Not sure about Incubus or Succubus, when it comes to Doppel though, judging from her flavor text lines in Quest it's safe to say that she isn't inherently hostile towards others (only really resenting Arle, unless she develops out of it) and I can even see her taking a liking towards several members of the cast, with that said she would mostly do her own thing and be pretty scathing towards the more conflict prone characters, finding Klug and Raffine insufferable or calling Rulue's hopeless pursuit of Satan pathetic right in her face. Post-development her main concern would be tying to find her own place in the world and among the cast, still mostly keeping to herself, but providing occasional assistance in urgent times.

Oh my gosh, your idea of what Doppel would be interacting with the rest of the cast is just perfect. What's more, I can imagine Doppel being quite merciless pre-character development, especially if anyone compares her to Arle, even to people who she'd normally consider relatively harmless such as Amitie, Ringo, Sig, Maguro, Risukuma, Lemres, etc.

BTW, for Incubus and Succubus, I wanted to mention that I don't exactly see them having big roles, but essentially they'd do what they did during Compile's run. Incubus would attempt to hit on as much of the female cast to near-hilarious levels of failure, while Succubus' flirtatious advances would make the majority of the male Fever-era cast, as well as Risukuma, Maguro, and Ecolo feel incredibly uncomfortable, although they would probably acknowledge how "she's so gorgeous, it's probably sinful".

Say, I wanted to ask two thigns.

The first is how do you think the Fever-era cast and PP7's cast would react to the hardcore nature of Madou Monogatari?

The second is actually a request. Could you reblog my post of Succubus and Satan as they appear in thew Waku Puyo Dungeon manga?

 

[warelander]

After SEGA actually found a way to have Sig and Jan (of all people) have some form of a connection, I feel like Sig and Rafisol certainly have chemistry for interaction that would actually seem very much legit. I mean, they could easily have Sig be one of the reasons as to why Rafisol begins to lose more and more of her self-loathing traits.

Oh totally, I mean I always felt like her developing a bond with someone other then Ally would help further her development and there already is a decent basis to work with, when it comes to her and Sig, so yeah.

As for Sig's flanderization, I'm not saying that Sig and Amitie should outright stop interacting, or that Sig should no longer be a bug enthusiast, but they really need to limit this stuff these days. I mean, he was one of the main characters of a mainstream game at one point (Fever 2), not to mention that he was quite the intricate character in said game and 15th.

I really don't have anything against his bug catching hobby or anything, but when it starts to take up 90-95% of everything he says, (even in the cutscene before the final battle, I might add) it becomes problematic. I already said my piece about him and Amitie quite some time ago, so I won't repeat myself about that here

Oh, wow. There's even a Quest cutscene featuring him and Rider? I had no idea. Well, if that's the case, SEGA could easily build off of it in the event that Tarutaru is brought back.

Here it is for the record (4:04) :

Beats me what the context is, but it's there.

The first is how do you think the Fever-era cast and PP7's cast would react to the hardcore nature of Madou Monogatari?

Honestly the original trilogy and maybe Final Test (and maybe certain parts of ARS) are the only ones that are particulary dark and even with those I can't imagine any of them being too shaken for long, especially in the face of how well adjusted Arle is, considering that she actually went through those, by all intents and purposes horrific things, that would usually leave several mental scars, I mean she can murder Schezo while fighting for her life and then right afterwards go explore some ruins out of sheer curiosity, no worse for wear.

The second is actually a request. Could you reblog my post of Succubus and Satan as they appear in thew Waku Puyo Dungeon manga?

Kay

 

[puyokid]

I really don't have anything against his bug catching hobby or anything, but when it starts to take up 90-95% of everything he says, (even in the cutscene before the final battle, I might add) it becomes problematic. I already said my piece about him and Amitie quite some time ago, so I won't repeat myself about that here

Oh, my...he was seriously talking about bugs...JUST BEFORE the final battle in Chronicles? Seriously?? How would the subject of bugs even fit in the context of that whole situation? I mean, he (and everyone who happened to be in your party at the time) witnessed Ally in pain, and then witnessed Rafisol attempting to steal Ally's powers. I really can't imagine how Sig (or anyone else for that matter) would be able to steer his (their) portion of the conversation to something NOT pertaining to Ally's predicament at that moment.

Here it is for the record (4:04) :

Beats me what the context is, but it's there.

Huh, sure wish I knew what they were saying. Heck, I can't even tell whether or not Draco was being a surrogate sibling to Rider or if Taru was once again more of one to her than Draco.

BTW, speaking of Tarutaru, it looks like he and the rest of the Fever Recovery cast are getting 7* upgrades alongside Swordfighter Klug!

Honestly, the original trilogy and maybe Final Test (and maybe certain parts of ARS) are the only ones that are particularly dark and even with those I can't imagine any of them being too shaken for long, especially in the face of how well adjusted Arle is, considering that she actually went through those, by all intents and purposes horrific things, that would usually leave several mental scars, I mean she can murder Schezo while fighting for her life and then right afterwards go explore some ruins out of sheer curiosity, no worse for wear.

Huh, I guess you ave a point there. It's just that Primp feels like such a...Sugar Bowl (if you know what I mean)-type locale, while Suzuran is located in what's essentially considered the Puyo series' take on the real world (Ecolo's occasional visits there notwithstanding). At the very least, I can't imagine PP7's ARS trio easily handling Arle's dimension just like that. Ever the Fever-era cast I imagine having SOME level of difficulty, considering Madou Monogatari settled things with outright fighting. Not that Puyo Puyo doesn't dip into the occasional outright magic/physical fight either, but Madou Monogatari (more or less) did it WAY more.

 

[warelander]

Oh, my...he was seriously talking about bugs...JUST BEFORE the final battle in Chronicles? Seriously?? How would the subject of bugs even fit in the context of that whole situation? I mean, he (and everyone who happened to be in your party at the time) witnessed Ally in pain, and then witnessed Rafisol attempting to steal Ally's powers. I really can't imagine how Sig (or anyone else for that matter) would be able to steer his (their) portion of the conversation to something NOT pertaining to Ally's predicament at that moment.

Oh trust me, he doesn't even get to react to Ally's predicament, since he and all the other returning characters besides the usual five are silent for most of that cutscene (and for the entire next cutscene), he only really speaks up once before Raf even shows herself and another time, when she reveals that she thinks that she just exists to consume all, of course the cast worry about what this could mean for the world(s), with Sig voicing his concern for what would happen to the bugs and that's all that he get's to contribute to the big climax, outside of being available as a playable character for the final battle.

It's blatant flanderization, since Sig has been shown to be perfectly able to focus on other things if it was needed and they didn't even need to be super urgent for that to be a thing and it's just lame that that's literally the extend of what he get's to do in Chronicle.

BTW, speaking of Tarutaru, it looks like he and the rest of the Fever Recovery cast are getting 7* upgrades alongside Swordfighter Klug!

Saw that on Twitter yeah, very happy about that.

Huh, I guess you ave a point there. It's just that Primp feels like such a...Sugar Bowl (if you know what I mean)-type locale, while Suzuran is located in what's essentially considered the Puyo series' take on the real world (Ecolo's occasional visits there notwithstanding). At the very least, I can't imagine PP7's ARS trio easily handling Arle's dimension just like that. Ever the Fever-era cast I imagine having SOME level of difficulty, considering Madou Monogatari settled things with outright fighting. Not that Puyo Puyo doesn't dip into the occasional outright magic/physical fight either, but Madou Monogatari (more or less) did it WAY more.

I dunno, initially Puyo Puyo battles were described more as actual, well, battles of sorcerers, before being treated as a game and even nowadays it's still often treated like a fight, like when Satan attacks T in PPT's Chapter 4 or anytime Schezo fights Arle or Satan and frankly I'm not sure if I'd call the regular battles to be that serious of an event, compared to Puyo battles, especially since games like the Saturn game or Tower of the Magician are mostly lighthearted, with some serious moments sprinkled in or Hanamaru Dai Youchienji, which is a sugarbowl to such diabetes inducing degrees that would make even Primp blush.

Also on a different note, I check the Puyo Puyo TV Tropes page from time to time, just to see how it's growing and I saw that someone added the ''Clueless Chick Magnet'' trope on Sig's trope list and I gotta say, if I still had any subconscious doubt over whether or not the games are trying to intentionally invoke this trope with him, then it went away the second I saw how long the example list is, like I knew of all these, but I didn't even realize how truly numerous they are.

 

[puyokid]

Oh trust me, he doesn't even get to react to Ally's predicament, since he and all the other returning characters besides the usual five are silent for most of that cutscene (and for the entire next cutscene), he only really speaks up once before Raf even shows herself and another time, when she reveals that she thinks that she just exists to consume all, of course the cast worry about what this could mean for the world(s), with Sig voicing his concern for what would happen to the bugs and that's all that he gets to contribute to the big climax, outside of being available as a playable character for the final battle.

So THAT'S the exact context,huh?...

It's blatant flanderization, since Sig has been shown to be perfectly able to focus on other things if it was needed and they didn't even need to be super urgent for that to be a thing and it's just lame that that's literally the extent of what he gets to do in Chronicle.

My thoughts exactly. I mean, it's like you said. I don't (entirely) mind Sig's love of bugs, and we didn't even need to have Sig (and the others) be EXTREMELY urgent for the cutscenes about Raf's continued existence being an issue for reality, but now it's really bothering me how they didn't at least have Sig show some concern for the state of reality itself outside of all bugs in existence getting caught in the crossfire.

I dunno, initially Puyo Puyo battles were described more as actual, well, battles of sorcerers, before being treated as a game and even nowadays it's still often treated like a fight, like when Satan attacks T in PPT's Chapter 4 or anytime Schezo fights Arle or Satan and frankly I'm not sure if I'd call the regular battles to be that serious of an event, compared to Puyo battles, especially since games like the Saturn game or Tower of the Magician are mostly lighthearted, with some serious moments sprinkled in or Hanamaru Dai Youchienji, which is a sugarbowl to such diabetes inducing degrees that would make even Primp blush.

Well, I guess I shouldn't say Puyo Puyo battles aren't like actual fighting whatsoever. I mean, a couple of post-Puyo match cutscenes have indicated that the participants of a Puyo battle DO take damage from each other. For example, some cutscenes in 20th has Schezo claim that Rulue actually attacked him with martial arts with him taking severe damage, and Suketoudara implies that he was actually attacked by Raffine's martial arts and lightning magic. Heck, there's even Puyo Puyo~n, where you see real-time battling happening on the screen.

As a matter of fact, ever since being a fan of Puyo, I've been of the belief that the Puyo themselves are used (well, popped) so as to "magically amplify" the strength of attacks that normally wouldn't do any real damage to people like Schezo or Satan, such as Suketoudara's dance strikes, Ocean Prince's tail whips, Rulue, Draco, and Raffine's martial arts, Tarutaru's sumo strikes, Ringo's book-smacking, Risukuma's explosive potions, and most notably, Maguro's kendama swinging.

Also on a different note, I check the Puyo Puyo TV Tropes page from time to time, just to see how it's growing and I saw that someone added the ''Clueless Chick Magnet'' trope on Sig's trope list and I gotta say, if I still had any subconscious doubt over whether or not the games are trying to intentionally invoke this trope with him, then it went away the second I saw how long the example list is, like I knew of all these, but I didn't even realize how truly numerous they are.

......You're welcome. Oh, and be sure to thank Schezoroark for helping to make that section look more tidy than what I initially posted there. I guess she agrees with me about Sig's Clueless Chick Magnet thing.

BTW, I don't know if you saw my post about me possibly working on a Puyo fanfic that focus on Choppun, did you? If so, any and all suggestions will be taken. I'm thinking of having all 3 eras of the series be joined together fore this fic, what do you think?

 

[warelander]

My thoughts exactly. I mean, it's like you said. I don't (entirely) mind Sig's love of bugs, and we didn't even need to have Sig (and the others) be EXTREMELY urgent for the cutscenes about Raf's continued existence being an issue for reality, but now it's really bothering me how they didn't at least have Sig show some concern for the state of reality itself outside of all bugs in existence getting caught in the crossfire.

Not so much her existence, but rather what she initially thought her existence was about, but yeah, Sig doesn't need to go into super serious mode or anything, but at least let him be aware of the stakes at hand, like in previous games, but yah know, he barely plays any kind of role after his introduction, other then being playable, occasionally speaking up or being someone that Arle can talk to in towns, which isn't any different from anyone else, so I'm honstly not too shocked that his handling in the game was kind of botched in several regards.

Well, I guess I shouldn't say Puyo Puyo battles aren't like actual fighting whatsoever. I mean, a couple of post-Puyo match cutscenes have indicated that the participants of a Puyo battle DO take damage from each other. For example, some cutscenes in 20th has Schezo claim that Rulue actually attacked him with martial arts with him taking severe damage, and Suketoudara implies that he was actually attacked by Raffine's martial arts and lightning magic. Heck, there's even Puyo Puyo~n, where you see real-time battling happening on the screen.

That's pretty much it yeah, of course there's some instances where it's just playing or fighting in a sporty way, but there are plenty exceptions that state otherwise or instances like in Sig's WakuWaku course, where Ocean Prince asks Sig to show him if he's strong enough to help him and the post-match quote reveals that Sig accidentally knocked him unconscious in the process or at least caused him to faint (it's this incident that convinces Salde that Sig is the right one, hence why he seeks him out in Sig's next course).

As a matter of fact, ever since being a fan of Puyo, I've been of the belief that the Puyo themselves are used (well, popped) so as to "magically amplify" the strength of attacks that normally wouldn't do any real damage to people like Schezo or Satan, such as Suketoudara's dance strikes, Ocean Prince's tail whips, Rulue, Draco, and Raffine's martial arts, Tarutaru's sumo strikes, Ringo's book-smacking, Risukuma's explosive potions, and most notably, Maguro's kendama swinging.

Yep, that's part of why characters like Maguro can compete with magic users to begin with.

......You're welcome. Oh, and be sure to thank Schezoroark for helping to make that section look more tidy than what I initially posted there. I guess she agrees with me about Sig's Clueless Chick Magnet thing.

Huh, that was you? Heh, how bout that.

BTW, I don't know if you saw my post about me possibly working on a Puyo fanfic that focus on Choppun, did you? If so, any and all suggestions will be taken. I'm thinking of having all 3 eras of the series be joined together fore this fic, what do you think?

I already replied to it, I guess you missed it. If you want to include all eras then go for it. I would like to give suggestions, but I haven't seen Darkwing Duck since I was a kid, so I couldn't really give much clever advice as to how to play with the concept.

 

[puyokid]

Not so much her existence, but rather what she initially thought her existence was about, but yeah, Sig doesn't need to go into super serious mode or anything, but at least let him be aware of the stakes at hand, like in previous games, but yah know, he barely plays any kind of role after his introduction, other than being playable, occasionally speaking up or being someone that Arle can talk to in towns, which isn't any different from anyone else, so I'm honestly not too shocked that his handling in the game was kind of botched in several regards.

Yeah, this is what I wanted, more or less. Sig may be spacey, and he might have a bit of a one-track mind when the subject of bugs come up, but even he's not totally oblivious as to when s*** is going to hit the fan in a pretty big way.

That's pretty much it yeah, of course there's some instances where it's just playing or fighting in a sporty way, but there are plenty exceptions that state otherwise or instances like in Sig's WakuWaku course, where Ocean Prince asks Sig to show him if he's strong enough to help him and the post-match quote reveals that Sig accidentally knocked him unconscious in the process or at least caused him to faint (it's this incident that convinces Salde that Sig is the right one, hence why he seeks him out in Sig's next course).

Really? Well, it makes sense. I mean, the 'A' Trio usually greets each other with a Puyo match, and were even about to do the same in Puyo Tetris, had the Tetris incident not begun around that point.

BTW, I know this might sound a bit...mean, but I'm kind of glad to hear that Ocean Prince/Prince Salde was knocked out like that by Sig. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Prince, but there are times where I feel like he doesn't really get what's coming to him. I mean, maybe it's just me...

Yep, that's part of why characters like Maguro can compete with magic users to begin with.

I was just about to expand on that. Honestly, when you REALLY get down to it, PP7's entire ARS trio (Ringo, Risukuma, and Maguro) might just be quite an interesting example of the "Power Creep, Power Seep" trope in the Puyo Puyo series.

Considering that all they really do (for the most part) is use (supposedly) relatively weak lightning magic (in comparison to Arle, Witch, and Raffine), toss explosive chemicals, and swing a kendama, the fact that these things supposedly does a fair amount of damage really tells a lot about how these guys can keep up with the real magic users in the cast, and that the Puyos themselves are certainly powerful things.

Huh, that was you? Heh, how bout that.

Honestly, I was debating with myself on whether or not I should reveal it was me, but then I was like "Eh, screw it. I'll just tell you."

I already replied to it, I guess you missed it. If you want to include all eras then go for it. I would like to give suggestions, but I haven't seen Darkwing Duck since I was a kid, so I couldn't really give much clever advice as to how to play with the concept.

Oh, OK. I see it now.

Wow, I'll be honest, I almost didn't think you'd even seen the show. So, you really don't think you might have some advice or anything of the sort? So far, I have a few things planned out, such as Choppun being D.W., Panotty with the role of Gosalyn, and Minotauros taking Launchpad's role.

 

[warelander]

BTW, I know this might sound a bit...mean, but I'm kind of glad to hear that Ocean Prince/Prince Salde was knocked out like that by Sig. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Prince, but there are times where I feel like he doesn't really get what's coming to him. I mean, maybe it's just me...

I mean if that's how you feel then to each their own, I'm just a bit surprised that you feel that way towards Ocean Prince of all people, not saying he's a saint or anything, but when I think of characters who are deserving of karma biting them in the rear it would be Feli more then anyone else.

Considering that all they really do (for the most part) is use (supposedly) relatively weak lightning magic (in comparison to Arle, Witch, and Raffine), toss explosive chemicals, and swing a kendama, the fact that these things supposedly does a fair amount of damage really tells a lot about how these guys can keep up with the real magic users in the cast, and that the Puyos themselves are certainly powerful things.

The Puyos or how well someone does at playing the game seems to be the biggest deciding factor into who is goes out as the winner in a fight, I mean Ecolo has all kinds of crazy powers, while Maguro is portayed as a very normal guy, yet Tuna Boy can easily hold his own in a fight with him and Draco who is usually treated like a joke can mop the floor with Arle whenever she's playable.

Wow, I'll be honest, I almost didn't think you'd even seen the show. So, you really don't think you might have some advice or anything of the sort? So far, I have a few things planned out, such as Choppun being D.W., Panotty with the role of Gosalyn, and Minotauros taking Launchpad's role.

I would sincerely like to help in some way, but I haven't seen the show since I was like seven or eight and only have a blurry memory of much of it, so I really wouldn't know what to say.

By the by, I was thinking about an experiment, if the next Puyo game expanded the roster size to 40 charas and you were in charge to decide who get's in, just what would be your most ideal roster?

In my case it would look like this:

Spoiler

Here to stay:

Out of the 24 expected suspects 21 are sticking around, with only Carbuncle (he'd be in a duo with Arle, ala' Fever 2, 15th and PPT) Suketoudara and Dongurigaeru getting the boot.

Lagnus, Harpy, Seriri, Ally and Rafisol all get kept around, in addition to that Strange Klug get's a playable spot again.

New Additions:

Demon Servant and Mamono are not only in because I like them, but also because I feel that Puyo could use more bad guys besides the big main villains.

I already said plenty about why I'd want Doppel, Oshare or Akuma back, so they are very ''duh'' choices, when it comes to me.

Minotauros, Baldlanders and Tarutaru all have some sort of connection to a reccuring character, that would make their return easy and logical.

Otomo get's to be truly playable for once in a mainstream game, would be about time that the guy get's his due.

Panotty, the Banshee Trio, Kikimora and Jan are all there because I personally just really like them, no deeper reason beyond that.

That about covers what my most ideal 40 chara roster would be, truth to be told, even with this very generous amount there were still some that I considered but couldn't include, because there are just that many characters that I like that it's very hard to settle on even such a big number, try it for yourself and see if you agree.

 

[puyokid]

I mean if that's how you feel then to each their own, I'm just a bit surprised that you feel that way towards Ocean Prince of all people, not saying he's a saint or anything, but when I think of characters who are deserving of karma biting them in the rear it would be Feli more than anyone else.

Actually, I don't really feel that way about him. I mean, I don't even know WHY on Earth I would even say something like that. Honestly, I think I was just so tired (after so much work last night) I wasn't even paying much attention as to what I was typing.

Heck, unlike others who pull the same "entitled rich and/or royal jerkass" shtick (Satan, Rulue and Raffine anyone?) in this series, I actually find the little guy's overall "entitled" personality hilarious and actually endears to me him all the more. I also feel that characters like Feli deserve such "comeuppance" WAY more.

Anyways, my point is that despite what I typed last night, I do NOT feel any negative feelings towards the Ocean Prince, especially not to the point that I want to see any extreme punishment befall him (unless he TRULY deserved it, of course).

The Puyos or how well someone does at playing the game seems to be the biggest deciding factor into who goes out as the winner in a fight. I mean, Ecolo has all kinds of crazy powers, while Maguro is portrayed as a very normal guy, yet Tuna Boy can easily hold his own in a fight with him and Draco who is usually treated like a joke can mop the floor with Arle whenever she's playable.

Yeah, that's a good point. As I've said before, Maguro might just be the most normal character in the cast (Puyo Puyo AND Madou Monogatari combined), yet he can actually defeat the likes of Ecolo (and Satan), if he plays well enough (BTW, I'm saying this from an in-universe AND out-of-universe perspective). Speaking of which, there's even that cutscene in 20th where Maguro defeats Ecolo and Ecolo is beyond shocked that Maguro beat him. Then again, he seems to get pretty ticked if anyone (who isn't Ringo) beats him.

As a matter of fact, the same can be said for your Draco/Arle example, where an almost identical scenario occurred (Draco defeats Arle, and Arle looks like she's about to go into shock from Draco of all people defeating her).

I would sincerely like to help in some way, but I haven't seen the show since I was like seven or eight and only have a blurry memory of much of it, so I really wouldn't know what to say.

Oh, well. That's OK. I should be fine. Say, if you ever DO manage to have anything, I'd like to hear it.

By the by, I was thinking about an experiment, if the next Puyo game expanded the roster size to 40 charas and you were in charge to decide who get's in, just what would be your most ideal roster?

In my case it would look like this:

Spoiler

Here to stay:

Out of the 24 expected suspects 21 are sticking around, with only Carbuncle (he'd be in a duo with Arle, ala' Fever 2, 15th and PPT) Suketoudara and Dongurigaeru getting the boot.

Lagnus, Harpy, Seriri, Ally and Rafisol all get kept around, in addition to that Strange Klug get's a playable spot again.

New Additions:

Demon Servant and Mamono are not only in because I like them, but also because I feel that Puyo could use more bad guys besides the big main villains.

I already said plenty about why I'd want Doppel, Oshare or Akuma back, so they are very ''duh'' choices, when it comes to me.

Minotauros, Baldlanders and Tarutaru all have some sort of connection to a reccuring character, that would make their return easy and logical.

Otomo get's to be truly playable for once in a mainstream game, would be about time that the guy get's his due.

Panotty, the Banshee Trio, Kikimora and Jan are all there because I personally just really like them, no deeper reason beyond that.

That about covers what my most ideal 40 chara roster would be, truth to be told, even with this very generous amount there were still some that I considered but couldn't include, because there are just that many characters that I like that it's very hard to settle on even such a big number, try it for yourself and see if you agree.

Hmm...alright. Let me try my hand at this. I should mention that I'm about to take some SERIOUS liberties here, so PLEASE bear with me.

1. Arle (and Carbuncle) (Dark Arle is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
2. Rulue
3. Schezo (Doppelganger Schezo shares a slot with him, but is considered a completely separate character)
4. Satan (Yellow Satan is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
5. Suketoudara
6. Draco (SUNburned Draco is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
7. Witch (Dark Witch shares a slot with her, but is considered a completely separate character)
8. Minotauros
9. Lagnus
10. Seriri
11. Harpy
12. Kikimora (Black Kikimora shares a slot with her, but is considered a completely separate character.)
13. Doppelganger Arle
14. Chico (and Dragon)
15. Panotty
16. Archan
17. Choppun
18. Incubus
19. Succubus
20. Skeleton-T
21. Amitie (Red Amitie is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
22. Raffine
23. Sig (Black Sig is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
24. Klug (Strange Klug shares a slot with him, but is considered a separate character)
25. Rider
26. Tarutaru
27. Ms. Accord (and Popoi)
28. Lemres
29. Feli (White Feli is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
30. Yu and Rei
31. Ocean Prince (Prince Salde is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
32. Otomo
33. Oshare Bones
34. Akuma
35. Ringo
36. Risukuma
37. Maguro
38. Ecolo (Unusual Ecolo is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
39. Ally
40. Rafisol

So...what do you think? It's too bad you limited me to only 40 characters, as I REALLY wanted to add the likes of Onion Pixy (with Onionette/Oniko as his "Carbuncle" so to speak), Dongurigaeru, Gogotte, the Banshee Trio, Nohoho (Muhoho sharing a slot with him as a separate character like S.K.), Zoh Daimaoh, Baldanders, Momomo, Scylla, Honey Bee, Kodomo Dragon, Demon Servant, and Jan.

*BTW, is Rafisol in Quest, or is that Quest art of her fanmade?

 

[warelander]

Actually, I don't really feel that way about him. I mean, I don't even know WHY on Earth I would even say something like that. Honestly, I think I was just so tired (after so much work last night) I wasn't even paying much attention as to what I was typing.

Heck, unlike others who pull the same "entitled rich and/or royal jerkass" shtick (Satan, Rulue and Raffine anyone?) in this series, I actually find the little guy's overall "entitled" personality hilarious and actually endears to me him all the more. I also feel that characters like Feli deserve such "comeuppance" WAY more.

Anyways, my point is that despite what I typed last night, I do NOT feel any negative feelings towards the Ocean Prince, especially not to the point that I want to see any extreme punishment befall him (unless he TRULY deserved it, of course).

Ah okay, I mean again, even if you did feel that way I wiuldn't hold it against you, we all have our own opinions on when someone deserves to have karma strike them, in my case, despite how much I love her, Arle can sometimes go that direction as well, particulary in the second Light Novel, where she is absolutely horrible and condescending towards Schezo the entire time, when he is actually quite civil and cooperative that time around or Tsu Ketteiban, where she has moments of being more of a jerk, rather then the ''one sane (wo)man'' that she usually is, like at one point when she meets Cockatrice and calls it fat, which...well (7 minutes in) :

Doesn't end well for her, to say the least.

Again I adore Arle, she is one of my top 3 favorite characters, but with her occasionally savage nature there a moments where she goes too far and deserves a good ol' kick in the butt, the same way how not all of Schezo's missfortunes are completely undeserved, even if he is really likable and not that bad a guy in the end.

Yeah, that's a good point. As I've said before, Maguro might just be the most normal character in the cast (Puyo Puyo AND Madou Monogatari combined), yet he can actually defeat the likes of Ecolo (and Satan), if he plays well enough (BTW, I'm saying this from an in-universe AND out-of-universe perspective). Speaking of which, there's even that cutscene in 20th where Maguro defeats Ecolo and Ecolo is beyond shocked that Maguro beat him. Then again, he seems to get pretty ticked if anyone (who isn't Ringo) beats him.

As a matter of fact, the same can be said for your Draco/Arle example, where an almost identical scenario occurred (Draco defeats Arle, and Arle looks like she's about to go into shock from Draco of all people defeating her).

My favorite instance is the final battle of Puyo Chronicle, Rafisol as a final boss character is naturally powerful, but even then it's still entirely possible to go into the fight with just someone like Onion Pixy all on his own, win and thus make him the lone savior of the world(s)

Oh, well. That's OK. I should be fine. Say, if you ever DO manage to have anything, I'd like to hear it.

I'll let you know if I come up with something.

Hmm...alright. Let me try my hand at this. I should mention that I'm about to take some SERIOUS liberties here, so PLEASE bear with me.

1. Arle (and Carbuncle) (Dark Arle is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
2. Rulue
3. Schezo (Doppelganger Schezo shares a slot with him, but is considered a completely separate character)
4. Satan (Yellow Satan is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
5. Suketoudara
6. Draco (SUNburned Draco is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
7. Witch (Dark Witch shares a slot with her, but is considered a completely separate character)
8. Minotauros
9. Lagnus
10. Seriri
11. Harpy
12. Kikimora (Black Kikimora shares a slot with her, but is considered a completely separate character.)
13. Doppelganger Arle
14. Chico (and Dragon)
15. Panotty
16. Archan
17. Choppun
18. Incubus
19. Succubus
20. Skeleton-T
21. Amitie (Red Amitie is a cosmetic reward for her to wear)
22. Raffine
23. Sig (Black Sig is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
24. Klug (Strange Klug shares a slot with him, but is considered a separate character)
25. Rider
26. Tarutaru
27. Ms. Accord (and Popoi)
28. Lemres
29. Feli
30. Yu and Rei
31. Ocean Prince (Prince Salde is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
32. Otomo
33. Oshare Bones
34. Akuma
35. Ringo
36. Risukuma
37. Maguro
38. Ecolo (Unusual Ecolo is a cosmetic reward for him to wear)
39. Ally
40. Rafisol

So...what do you think? It's too bad you limited me to only 40 characters, as I REALLY wanted to add the likes of Onion Pixy (with Onionette/Oniko as his "Carbuncle" so to speak), Dongurigaeru, Gogotte, the Banshee Trio, Nohoho (Muhoho sharing a slot with him as a separate character like S.K.), Zoh Daimaoh, Baldanders, Momomo, Scylla, Honey Bee, Kodomo Dragon, Demon Servant, and Jan.

Heh, that's pretty clever, I didn't really think of putting more characters in duos or alt characters, makes me rethink some things about my roster, for instance I always felt like Harpy and Panotty would make a good duo, due to them having the ''musician/singer of questionable talent'' theme and putting them together would open up a roster slot so.....

But yeah, you see what I mean? Even with 40 slots and a bit of creative trickery there are still compromises that you have to make and characters that don't make the cut, goes to show how humongous the Puyo cast truly is.

*BTW, is Rafisol in Quest, or is that Quest art of her fanmade?

It's her LINE Sticker artwork put in a Quest Card frame and let's just say that for me as someone who likes to make collages like this to visualize a point it's a godsend.

 

[puyokid]

Ah okay, I mean again, even if you did feel that way I wouldn't hold it against you, we all have our own opinions on when someone deserves to have karma strike them, in my case, despite how much I love her, Arle can sometimes go that direction as well, particularly in the second Light Novel, where she is absolutely horrible and condescending towards Schezo the entire time, when he is actually quite civil and cooperative that time around or Tsu Ketteiban, where she has moments of being more of a jerk, rather than the ''one sane (wo)man'' that she usually is, like at one point when she meets Cockatrice and calls it fat, which...well (7 minutes in) :

Doesn't end well for her, to say the least.

Again I adore Arle, she is one of my top 3 favorite characters, but with her occasionally savage nature there a moments where she goes too far and deserves a good ol' kick in the butt, the same way how not all of Schezo's misfortunes are completely undeserved, even if he is really likable and not that bad a guy in the end.

Wow, so that's why Cockatrice attacks Arle? I just thought it was being territorial or something. Then again, I'm pretty sure Tsu is where the majority of Arle's biggest Jerkass moments can be traced back to.

Honestly, I wasn't too sure if I should have added Arle to the list of characters. I mean, she's my favorite character and all, but there have been times where I feel like Schezo seriously deserves getting some payback on her. Of course, there have been times like that, but I kind of wish there a bit more, ESPECIALLY in the LNs.

My favorite instance is the final battle of Puyo Chronicle, Rafisol as a final boss character is naturally powerful, but even then it's still entirely possible to go into the fight with just someone like Onion Pixy all on his own, win and thus make him the lone savior of the world(s)

Oh, my gosh. You don't know how much I'm laughing at this idea right now. Heck, at least Onion Pixy even HAS a weapon to speak of (his spiked club). Try imagining DONGURIGAERU in that position.

I'll let you know if I come up with something.

Well, thanks. Say, I posted something related to this last night. If you could reblog that, I'd appreciate it.

Heh, that's pretty clever, I didn't really think of putting more characters in duos or alt characters, makes me rethink some things about my roster, for instance I always felt like Harpy and Panotty would make a good duo, due to them having the ''musician/singer of questionable talent'' theme and putting them together would open up a roster slot so.....

Funny thing, but I was actually considering having Panotty/Archan in a tag-team, but I decided against it. Still, your idea Harpy/Panotty sure is interesting. Still though, I was a little worried you'd think I was trying to cheat my into adding more characters. Pretty silly, huh?

But yeah, you see what I mean? Even with 40 slots and a bit of creative trickery there are still compromises that you have to make and characters that don't make the cut, goes to show how humongous the Puyo cast truly is.

You wouldn't believe how surprised I was that I still had trouble adding characters due to that limitation. Heck, I almost didn't add Ally and Rafisol due to it, but I felt like it was a bit unfair to leave them out after one appearance.

BTW, I edited my post from last night detailing the characters I want. I can't BELIEVE I forgot to add White Feli as an cosmetic reward for Feli.

It's her LINE Sticker artwork put in a Quest Card frame and let's just say that for me as someone who likes to make collages like this to visualize a point it's a godsend.

Oh, OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[warelander]

Honestly, I wasn't too sure if I should have added Arle to the list of characters. I mean, she's my favorite character and all, but there have been times where I feel like Schezo seriously deserves getting some payback on her. Of course, there have been times like that, but I kind of wish there a bit more, ESPECIALLY in the LNs.

At times yeah, for the most part I don't really mind her harsher treatment towards certain characters, especially with ones who give her plenty reason to do so, but when there's no justification for it she just comes off as a petty jerk, unlike let's say in Minna where sure, she goes on a melodramatic speech about how she's going to shut Schezo up once and for all, for everyone in the world or trolls him at a later point, telling him that she met a girl who likes him, only to reveal that she was lying when he get's his hopes up, but it was Schezo who started the whole thing with his ''Ah wunt u puwahs'' stick once more, so by that point the joke's on him, can't exactly fault Arle there.

Oh, my gosh. You don't know how much I'm laughing at this idea right now. Heck, at least Onion Pixy even HAS a weapon to speak of (his spiked club). Try imagining DONGURIGAERU in that position.

Hey! Those acorns he spits out must hurt like mad, at the velocity he shoots them! Totally blatant world savior material!

Well, thanks. Say, I posted something related to this last night. If you could reblog that, I'd appreciate it.

Will do.

Funny thing, but I was actually considering having Panotty/Archan in a tag-team, but I decided against it. Still, your idea Harpy/Panotty sure is interesting. Still though, I was a little worried you'd think I was trying to cheat my into adding more characters. Pretty silly, huh?

Hehe nah, I wouldn't call it cheating, but rather playing around with the task you were given.

You wouldn't believe how surprised I was that I still had trouble adding characters due to that limitation. Heck, I almost didn't add Ally and Rafisol due to it, but I felt like it was a bit unfair to leave them out after one appearance.

BTW, I edited my post from last night detailing the characters I want. I can't BELIEVE I forgot to add White Feli as an cosmetic reward for Feli.

I can imagine, heck I just chose 40 out of the blue, if the actual games were to up their roster sizes then I'd imagine 30 to be the highest possible amount for the next game and I can't even imagine how I would cut down my roster if I had only 30 slots to work with, because cutting any of thes 40 would hurt. A lot.

And yeah think I remember White Feli not being on there before, I also just realized that I should have used the Arle & Carbuncle alt icon, rather then just Arle alone, so pretty much like this:

Spoiler

Very minor change, but I'm extremely picky and specific when it comes to that stuff.