Puyo Puyo

[puyokid]

At times yeah, for the most part I don't really mind her harsher treatment towards certain characters, especially with ones who give her plenty reason to do so, but when there's no justification for it she just comes off as a petty jerk, unlike let's say in Minna where sure, she goes on a melodramatic speech about how she's going to shut Schezo up once and for all, for everyone in the world or trolls him at a later point, telling him that she met a girl who likes him, only to reveal that she was lying when he get's his hopes up, but it was Schezo who started the whole thing with his ''Ah wunt u puwahs'' stick once more, so by that point the joke's on him, can't exactly fault Arle there.

Oh, I don't mind Arle being harsh either (Heck, if I'm being honest, I kind of wish that part of her characterization was brought back. Well, Minna-levels of harshness.) Still, this has been on my mind for a while now, but I wonder why Arle seems to REALLY rip into Schezo somewhat more than Satan (and Rulue, I suppose). I mean, OK. There WAS Madou 2, but is she STILL holding a grudge on that? Yet Satan has almost gotten her killed multiple occasions, and Rulue's outright shown she has no problem killing Arle if it means that she'll be all the more closer to Satan.

Hey! Those acorns he spits out must hurt like mad, at the velocity he shoots them! Totally blatant world savior material!

Have you...SEEN...that club? Acorns shot out like bullets? One whack from that club's gonna leave one heck of a dent in your head! I can't even imagine how impressed and proud Oniko would be!

Hehe nah, I wouldn't call it cheating, but rather playing around with the task you were given.

Heh, thanks. I won't lie, I almost thought you were going to (play)call "shenanigans" on me for doing what I did to fit all those characters in.

I can imagine, heck I just chose 40 out of the blue, if the actual games were to up their roster sizes then I'd imagine 30 to be the highest possible amount for the next game and I can't even imagine how I would cut down my roster if I had only 30 slots to work with, because cutting any of these 40 would hurt. A lot.

And yeah think I remember White Feli not being on there before, I also just realized that I should have used the Arle & Carbuncle alt icon, rather then just Arle alone, so pretty much like this:

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Very minor change, but I'm extremely picky and specific when it comes to that stuff.

The sad thing is, I also expect SEGA to go as far upping the roster to 30, at best. Heck, I also feel the same in that cutting any of the 40 I came up with would be too painful for me to do.

BTW, as you know, Lagnus wasn't playable in PP7. If he was, what kind of role do you think he'd have?

 

[warelander]

Oh, I don't mind Arle being harsh either (Heck, if I'm being honest, I kind of wish that part of her characterization was brought back. Well, Minna-levels of harshness.) Still, this has been on my mind for a while now, but I wonder why Arle seems to REALLY rip into Schezo somewhat more than Satan (and Rulue, I suppose). I mean, OK. There WAS Madou 2, but is she STILL holding a grudge on that? Yet Satan has almost gotten her killed multiple occasions, and Rulue's outright shown she has no problem killing Arle if it means that she'll be all the more closer to Satan.

That's a hard one to answer, I'd like to say that Saturn Madou (which arguably explores their dynamic more then any other game) helped in giving me some clue to answer this, but even then I won't even pretent that I'm super confident in my guess.

Have you...SEEN...that club? Acorns shot out like bullets? One whack from that club's gonna leave one heck of a dent in your head! I can't even imagine how impressed and proud Oniko would be!

Touché my friend.

Heh, thanks. I won't lie, I almost thought you were going to (play)call "shenanigans" on me for doing what I did to fit all those characters in.

Nah 's all good.

BTW, as you know, Lagnus wasn't playable in PP7. If he was, what kind of role do you think he'd have?

Considering how most characters don't play much of a part I'd assume that Lagnus wouldn't fare much better, personally though, I would have liked for him to take over Satan's part in PP7.


By the by, I know it hasn't been that long since I last asked for something like this, but could you reblog this post?

Just for the sake of getting Puyo Wars more attention, yah know?

 

[puyokid]

That's a hard one to answer, I'd like to say that Saturn Madou (which arguably explores their dynamic more then any other game) helped in giving me some clue to answer this, but even then I won't even pretend that I'm super confident in my guess.

Out of curiosity, what clues DID you get from it? I mean, with the way Rulue (more or less) regards Arle at some points in Saturn Madou, I'm a little surprised Arle doesn't manage more than a couple of jabs at Rulue under her breath in that game, and in all other games, she simply gets amazed over and over at her devotion towards Satan.

I mean, like I've said, Rulue's made it abundantly clear to Arle multiple times that she has no prob KILLING her on Satan's order/her own volition, and I don't see Arle showing Rulue anywhere NEAR the amount of animosity she shows Schezo.

Considering how most characters don't play much of a part, I'd assume that Lagnus wouldn't fare much better, personally though, I would have liked for him to take over Satan's part in PP7.

Actually, I was thinking the same thing, or that he joined Ringo even sooner than that, replacing Suketoudara.

By the by, I know it hasn't been that long since I last asked for something like this, but could you reblog this post?

Just for the sake of getting Puyo Wars more attention, yah know?

Oh, don't worry, I reblogged it. Speaking of which, I don't suppose you saw what I typed in my reblog of that post, did you?

Also, I wanted to ask you, do you think Puyo Wars could easily fit with the current timeline of the series? Personally, I think it could.

 

[warelander]

Out of curiosity, what clues DID you get from it? I mean, with the way Rulue (more or less) regards Arle at some points in Saturn Madou, I'm a little surprised Arle doesn't manage more than a couple of jabs at Rulue under her breath in that game, and in all other games, she simply gets amazed over and over at her devotion towards Satan.

I mean, like I've said, Rulue's made it abundantly clear to Arle multiple times that she has no prob KILLING her on Satan's order/her own volition, and I don't see Arle showing Rulue anywhere NEAR the amount of animosity she shows Schezo.

In regards to Rulue, Compile did like to tease the idea that she and Arle could become friends, especially in artworks. so that likely played a big part in that.

In regards to Schezo, first it's important to note that while Schezo is pretty much how he usually is with Arle, Arle herself makes a much bigger effort in Saturn Madou to try and get along with him, feeling legitimately bad for tricking him at one point and being glad when he actually decided to help out at last, out of gratitude for Arle and Rulue helping him at an earlier point (thought he wouldn't admit that part out loud).

With that said, even with a more friendlier attitude from Arle, Schezo is not at all afraid to make his distain for her and Rulue clear, at one point even confirming that he doesn't see them as friends and he manages to get on Arle's nerves even when cooperating (literally the last thing she says to him is ''you never know when to keep quiet'') and she's not shy to agree with Rulue that Lagnus in control Schezo's body was a more well behaved and helpful Schezo then the real one, right in his face.

While Arle's level of inherent antagonism towards him tends to differ between games, I do think that this game serves as a decent basis to judge their dynamic, especially since she is more patient then usual with him.

The impression I get is that Arle's treatment of Schezo doesn't come from a grudge, I don't even think that she straight up hates him, but I do feel like their personalities simply clash too much, to a point where them being themselves is all they need to rub each other the wrong way even if they don't mean to and the rivalry on top of that would be enough for Arle to be particulary annoyed with Schezo specifically.

Again that's just how I take it, I won't even dare to say that this is the absolute deinitive way to look at it.

Oh, don't worry, I reblogged it. Speaking of which, I don't suppose you saw what I typed in my reblog of that post, did you?

Also, I wanted to ask you, do you think Puyo Wars could easily fit with the current timeline of the series? Personally, I think it could.

Saw it yeah, thanks a bunch and yeah I'd say it would fit in just fine, I was actually considering having Daichi, Marin and Sho on my roster, but with the regular Puyo cast already wrestling for a place on there it just didn't happen.

 

[puyokid]

In regards to Rulue, Compile did like to tease the idea that she and Arle could become friends, especially in artworks. so that likely played a big part in that.

Welp, I guess that still (sort of) proves my point that Rulue (similar to Schezo) may never get on truly good terms with Arle, if Compile mostly just teased the idea. Heck, I'm pretty sure some games have vaguely implied that if it wasn't for Satan, Rulue would get along with Arle slightly better, not to mention that Rulue would probably be a bit more of a rational person overall.

In regards to Schezo, first it's important to note that while Schezo is pretty much how he usually is with Arle, Arle herself makes a much bigger effort in Saturn Madou to try and get along with him, feeling legitimately bad for tricking him at one point and being glad when he actually decided to help out at last, out of gratitude for Arle and Rulue helping him at an earlier point (thought he wouldn't admit that part out loud).

With that said, even with a more friendlier attitude from Arle, Schezo is not at all afraid to make his disdain for her and Rulue clear, at one point even confirming that he doesn't see them as friends and he manages to get on Arle's nerves even when cooperating (literally the last thing she says to him is ''you never know when to keep quiet'') and she's not shy to agree with Rulue that Lagnus in control Schezo's body was a more well behaved and helpful Schezo then the real one, right in his face.

While Arle's level of inherent antagonism towards him tends to differ between games, I do think that this game serves as a decent basis to judge their dynamic, especially since she is more patient than usual with him.

The impression I get is that Arle's treatment of Schezo doesn't come from a grudge. I don't even think that she straight up hates him, but I do feel like their personalities simply clash too much, to a point where them being themselves is all they need to rub each other the wrong way even if they don't mean to and the rivalry on top of that would be enough for Arle to be particularly annoyed with Schezo specifically.

Huh, I have to say that you present a LOT of notable points here. Don't get me wrong though, Arle's also been put in some similar situations with Rulue and Satan, with the main exception being Arle not outright antagonizing the former (often).

Saw it yeah, thanks a bunch and yeah I'd say it would fit in just fine, I was actually considering having Daichi, Marin and Sho on my roster, but with the regular Puyo cast already wrestling for a place on there it just didn't happen.

Say, who would you add to the roster of a game with the Puyo Wars cast? Just curious.

Also, you saw the post about my fic, right? What do you think?

 

[warelander]

Welp, I guess that still (sort of) proves my point that Rulue (similar to Schezo) may never get on truly good terms with Arle, if Compile mostly just teased the idea. Heck, I'm pretty sure some games have vaguely implied that if it wasn't for Satan, Rulue would get along with Arle slightly better, not to mention that Rulue would probably be a bit more of a rational person overall.

Thing is the Saturn game is an example of not only implying, but even outright showing it, Rulue is even shocked and tells Satan that he went too far when it seems like he had something to do with the events at hand. of course she goes back into fangirl mode by the end of the game, when it becomes clear that he has been doing his own part to help out, but the game does show this more reasonable Rulue that even with some rough moments here and there would make a genuine friend for Arle and I actiually like it, it's refreshing.

Huh, I have to say that you present a LOT of notable points here. Don't get me wrong though, Arle's also been put in some similar situations with Rulue and Satan, with the main exception being Arle not outright antagonizing the former (often).

Yeah I know, I just focused on Schezo because that was what were talking about and frankly I do think that he is the most notable and persistent example.

Say, who would you add to the roster of a game with the Puyo Wars cast? Just curious.

Depends on what the premise is, given that it would have to involve time travel I'd say that it might be for the best to make such a game a retelling of Puyo Wars' story, just with the regular Puyo cast in it as well, considering how many people would be first introduced to the Puyo Wars' world and cast with such a game, in that case bring in all of that game's main cast.

If it took place after Puyo Wars then you could still have most of the main cast Angol Mois would be a good guy now, since he is purified at the end of the game, the only ones that would likely not be back are the Fifths, since they are dead, unless they were brought back to life, which I actually wouldn't mind, given how dark and horrific their origin is.

The only ones that strike me as NPC material are Puyorin and maybe the nameless Professor or the goddess Eldora, but I'd say make as many playable as possible, if there wasn't a full game focusing on Puyo Wars crossing over with the main games though and we could only have a few characters then it would have to be Daichi, Marin and Sho, no questions asked.

Also, you saw the post about my fic, right? What do you think?

Saw it and said my piece in my reblog.

Again, the unfortunate thing about me not having seen the show in so long is that I can only hardly spot references or say how well you capture it's style, but what I have seen so far does give me heavy Phantomias vibes, which means that I am going to very much enjoy your fic.

Edit: Oh yeah, almost forgot, I made this Quest icon for Choppun a while back:

If you ever want to use it for anything go right ahead.

 

[puyokid]

Thing is the Saturn game is an example of not only implying, but even outright showing it, Rulue is even shocked and tells Satan that he went too far when it seems like he had something to do with the events at hand. of course she goes back into fangirl mode by the end of the game, when it becomes clear that he has been doing his own part to help out, but the game does show this more reasonable Rulue that even with some rough moments here and there would make a genuine friend for Arle and I actually like it, it's refreshing.

Actually, I don't know if you remember this, but I should mention (though I don't know if you'll find this as a good example) that in the Puyo LN's (specifically, Satan's Amusement Park) there's a scene that involves Amitie and Rulue interacting with each other.

Specifically, Amitie asks Rulue just why EXACTLY does she dislike Arle so much, to which Rulue surprisingly replies that she doesn't hate Arle as a person at all.

Heck, if it wasn't for Satan and her intense love for him, she and Arle would probably get along better than they currently do, and as I've said before, this conversation actually DOES come up AGAIN in Chronicles, but with ALLY instead of Amitie bringing up the subject to Rulue.

Yeah I know, I just focused on Schezo because that was what were talking about and frankly I do think that he is the most notable and persistent example.

True that. True that.

Depends on what the premise is, given that it would have to involve time travel I'd say that it might be for the best to make such a game a retelling of Puyo Wars' story, just with the regular Puyo cast in it as well, considering how many people would be first introduced to the Puyo Wars' world and cast with such a game, in that case bring in all of that game's main cast.

If it took place after Puyo Wars, then you could still have most of the main cast Angol Mois would be a good guy now, since he is purified at the end of the game, the only ones that would likely not be back are the Fifths, since they are dead, unless they were brought back to life, which I actually wouldn't mind, given how dark and horrific their origin is.

The only ones that strike me as NPC material are Puyorin and maybe the nameless Professor or the goddess Eldora, but I'd say make as many playable as possible, if there wasn't a full game focusing on Puyo Wars crossing over with the main games though and we could only have a few characters then it would have to be Daichi, Marin and Sho, no questions asked.

OK, first off, PLEASE forgive me for the wall of questions I'm about to ask.

1. Wait, Angol Mois is good by the end of that game and the Fifths are destroyed? What did I miss in that? I mean, I'll admit I don't have much knowledge of the game due to its obscurity, but still...

2. Doyou think the Professor and Puyorin would run the game's shop, taking over from Ms. Accord and Popoi? Speaking of which, can you imagine the irony of Puyorin being playable?

3. You know, I just remembered that in the world of Puyo Wars, Arle and Carbuncle seem to be hailed as heroes. Maybe once Arle and Carbuncle enter Daichi's time, they'd be hailed as celebrities, and everyone else would either be not as remembered/cared about despite their titles (Fighting Queen Rulue, Dark Wizard Schezo, Ruler of Puyo Hell Satan, and other Madou-era characters) or just a totally anomaly to their dimension (Amitie, Ringo, and everyone else introduced to the series, Fever 1 and onward).

4. Did Eldora even have have a physical appearance?

5. What WAS the origin of the Fifth, anyways? Never been clear to me, personally.

Saw it and said my piece in my reblog.

Again, the unfortunate thing about me not having seen the show in so long is that I can only hardly spot references or say how well you capture it's style, but what I have seen so far does give me heavy Phantomias vibes, which means that I am going to very much enjoy your fic.

Oh, OK. I see what you reblogged.

Also, you know what's crazy? After my idea of Choppun being Darkwing Duck, I had the idea of Schezo being Phantomias/Paperinik/Duck Avenger.

No joke, I feel like Schezo has a LOT of material that could give him (almost) the exact same origin. Having grievances with almost the entire cast of the series (with Arle, Satan, and Rulue standing out among them more), and from there, he'd use an alter-ego as the means of getting delicious revenge on any and all who wronged him/attempt to wrong him.

Later down the line however, he would do WAY more good in this alter-ego and actually be cheerful about it, so as to not draw attention to him and his aforementioned alter-ego being the same person.

Risukuma could be his "go-to-guy" for any and all gadgets and other science doodads. Otherwise, any other weapons Schezo acquired would be from magical occurrences/his cases.

As we know, normally he's not one to do good unless he gets paid for his deeds. He'd also take tons of lessons in order to take care of his little "speech impediment", although this would lead into the next thing below...

Heck, I was even thinking of Witch being his sidekick. I mean, I even had the whole thing planned out in that Witch is the only who could tell that Schezo and his alter-ego are one and the same (via a slip of the tongue by Schezo's speech impediment), and she attempts to blackmail him into letting her be his sidekick . The reasons being that she sees it as an opportunity to get back at Arle and Draco, and that this could be an opportunity for her to spend time with Schezo (though she'd never admit this out loud.)

Edit: Oh yeah, almost forgot, I made this Quest icon for Choppun a while back:

If you ever want to use it for anything go right ahead.

Oh, wow! This looks amazing! As I've said in my reblog post about Doppel. Schezo and Dark Witch last night, I honestly feel that it'll only be a matter of time before Choppun (alongside many others) get brought back to the series, even if it's only in Quest.

 

[warelander]

Actually, I don't know if you remember this, but I should mention (though I don't know if you'll find this as a good example) that in the Puyo LN's (specifically, Satan's Amusement Park) there's a scene that involves Amitie and Rulue interacting with each other.

Specifically, Amitie asks Rulue just why EXACTLY does she dislike Arle so much, to which Rulue surprisingly replies that she doesn't hate Arle as a person at all.

Heck, if it wasn't for Satan and her intense love for him, she and Arle would probably get along better than they currently do, and as I've said before, this conversation actually DOES come up AGAIN in Chronicles, but with ALLY instead of Amitie bringing up the subject to Rulue.

It's been a while, so I actually don't recall too clearly, but sounds about right.

OK, first off, PLEASE forgive me for the wall of questions I'm about to ask.

1. Wait, Angol Mois is good by the end of that game and the Fifths are destroyed? What did I miss in that? I mean, I'll admit I don't have much knowledge of the game due to its obscurity, but still...

2. Doyou think the Professor and Puyorin would run the game's shop, taking over from Ms. Accord and Popoi? Speaking of which, can you imagine the irony of Puyorin being playable?

3. You know, I just remembered that in the world of Puyo Wars, Arle and Carbuncle seem to be hailed as heroes. Maybe once Arle and Carbuncle enter Daichi's time, they'd be hailed as celebrities, and everyone else would either be not as remembered/cared about despite their titles (Fighting Queen Rulue, Dark Wizard Schezo, Ruler of Puyo Hell Satan, and other Madou-era characters) or just a totally anomaly to their dimension (Amitie, Ringo, and everyone else introduced to the series, Fever 1 and onward).

4. Did Eldora even have have a physical appearance?

5. What WAS the origin of the Fifth, anyways? Never been clear to me, personally.

1) I'll explain that in question 5, because of context.

2) Actually the Professor did serve a similar role in Puyo Wars, so that would be fitting.
And yeah, Puyorin as a Puyo player would be deliciously ironic indeed.

3) Actually interesting fun fact, I re-watched a playthrough of the game (that I got from nicovideo) that I have saved on my laptop (it's been a while) and remember how I once said that Marin is a reincarnated Pink Puyo? This is important because she is the one that actually makes mention of Arle and from what I can garther she actually met Arle in her past life. I'm not sure about the specifics, but if I'm not getting anything wrong than this would be a very interesting thing to touch upon.

4) Yep, she actually becomes a key figure during the game's final chapters.

5) Basically during the war that took place long before the events of Puyo Wars scientists worked on cruel experiments that would infuse humans wth Puyo energy, to essentially turn them into bioweapons, that could transform into beasts of great power, but at the cost of their primordial instincts taking over. There are 7 known victims of these experiments:

Angel Mois was the first one that proved to be a success and he even fought in the war, he ultimately grew to resend humanity and tried to wipe it out, though after the final battle Eldora decides to purify him of his infusions and his hatred. This is his form during the final battle :

The second successful one was Daichi, who, through unknown means was subjected to the experiments as a child, but was kept in stasis (losing all his memories in the process), until the Professor found and adopted him. His infusions are still intact and were at one point even forcefully brought out, turning him into this beast right here:

which forces Marin and Sho to knock him out, in order to turn him back to normal, it doesn't happen again, since Daichi is in control of himself once more by then, but it did make for a very intense moment.

And then there is the Fifths and well...just look at them:

They were all failed prototypes, humans that because of these experiments mutated beyond recognition and since they joined forces with Mois and even forced Daichi into briefly becoming the monster you see above....yeah, they had to go.

I just find the whole concept intruiging in a very dark way, Puyos being used for bad purposes isn't entirely new, but never has it been shown like this, the Fifths even all represent one Puyo color each, which makes it even more insane to think that being infused with the power of these cute and goofy blobs turned them into these monstrosities.

Oh, OK. I see what you reblogged.

Also, you know what's crazy? After my idea of Choppun being Darkwing Duck, I had the idea of Schezo being Phantomias/Paperinik/Duck Avenger.

No joke, I feel like Schezo has a LOT of material that could give him (almost) the exact same origin. Having grievances with almost the entire cast of the series (with Arle, Satan, and Rulue standing out among them more), and from there, he'd use an alter-ego as the means of getting delicious revenge on any and all who wronged him/attempt to wrong him.

Later down the line however, he would do WAY more good in this alter-ego and actually be cheerful about it, so as to not draw attention to him and his aforementioned alter-ego being the same person.

Risukuma could be his "go-to-guy" for any and all gadgets and other science doodads. Otherwise, any other weapons Schezo acquired would be from magical occurrences/his cases.

As we know, normally he's not one to do good unless he gets paid for his deeds. He'd also take tons of lessons in order to take care of his little "speech impediment", although this would lead into the next thing below...

Heck, I was even thinking of Witch being his sidekick. I mean, I even had the whole thing planned out in that Witch is the only who could tell that Schezo and his alter-ego are one and the same (via a slip of the tongue by Schezo's speech impediment), and she attempts to blackmail him into letting her be his sidekick . The reasons being that she sees it as an opportunity to get back at Arle and Draco, and that this could be an opportunity for her to spend time with Schezo (though she'd never admit this out loud.)

That...fits so damn well that it's kind of incredible, Schezo finding a way to adopt this alter ego, that he initially uses for his own satisfaction, but later begins to grow into a far more heroic figure that allows him to grow far past what his real identity would allow, to sometimes even borderline Batman levels of hypercompetence, along with a quirky cast of recurring antagonists and the occasional new threat.

You know what? I want this, I friggin' want this soooo badly.

 

[puyokid]

3) Actually interesting fun fact, I re-watched a playthrough of the game (that I got from nicovideo) that I have saved on my laptop (it's been a while) and remember how I once said that Marin is a reincarnated Pink Puyo? This is important because she is the one that actually makes mention of Arle and from what I can gather she actually met Arle in her past life. I'm not sure about the specifics, but if I'm not getting anything wrong than this would be a very interesting thing to touch upon.

Wow, really? So not only would Arle (possibly) be hailed a hero in Daichi's time, but one of the main protags of Puyo Wars would actually some sort of knowledge about her, vague as it may be!

Also, here's some food for thought: Pink Puyo. In what game do we see one? Puyo Puyo Fever 2, you say??? Iiiiinteresting...

4) Yep, she actually becomes a key figure during the game's final chapters.

Say, I don't suppose you have a screenshot of her?

5) Basically, during the war that took place long before the events of Puyo Wars, scientists worked on cruel experiments that would infuse humans with Puyo energy, to essentially turn them into bio-weapons, that could transform into beasts of great power, but at the cost of their primordial instincts taking over. There are 7 known victims of these experiments:

Angol Mois was the first one that proved to be a success and he even fought in the war, he ultimately grew to resend humanity and tried to wipe it out, though after the final battle Eldora decides to purify him of his infusions and his hatred. This is his form during the final battle :

The second successful one was Daichi, who, through unknown means was subjected to the experiments as a child, but was kept in stasis (losing all his memories in the process), until the Professor found and adopted him. His infusions are still intact and were at one point even forcefully brought out, turning him into this beast right here:

which forces Marin and Sho to knock him out, in order to turn him back to normal, it doesn't happen again, since Daichi is in control of himself once more by then, but it did make for a very intense moment.

And then there is the Fifths and well...just look at them:

They were all failed prototypes, humans that because of these experiments mutated beyond recognition and since they joined forces with Mois and even forced Daichi into briefly becoming the monster you see above....yeah, they had to go.

I just find the whole concept intriguing in a very dark way, Puyos being used for bad purposes isn't entirely new, but never has it been shown like this, the Fifths even all represent one Puyo color each, which makes it even more insane to think that being infused with the power of these cute and goofy blobs turned them into these monstrosities.

Good God...I knew Daichi had a deep connection to this things, but...wow. Seriously, I'm amazed at how dark this game is. I mean, OK. To be fair, Puyo Puyo~n WAS released just before this game and Compile (who made Madou Monogatari) made this game, so I shouldn't be THAT surprised, but still.

BTW, a few more questions, if you don't mind.

1. Exactly what role did the Fifths have? Were they just being led by Angol Mois, or was an entirely separate entity leading the charge for them to take over all of existence?

2. What was Pucchi, the Professor, and Puyorin's role in this game anyways?

3. How exactly did the Fifths force Daichi into transforming? Were his comrades in a pinch and he felt like he had no other options?

You know what? I just remembered that I shouldn't be too surprised about these dark implications about the power of the Puyos. Not too long ago, I even made a suggestion that a future mainstream Puyo game could have a totally new villain (aiming for world domination/ruler of all existence) make use of the Puyos' ability to teleport the popper between dimensions, thus giving the hypothetical baddie the goal (and means) to rule EVERY dimension in the series' existence.

That...fits so damn well that it's kind of incredible, Schezo finding a way to adopt this alter ego, that he initially uses for his own satisfaction, but later begins to grow into a far more heroic figure that allows him to grow far past what his real identity would allow, to sometimes even borderline Batman levels of hypercompetence, along with a quirky cast of recurring antagonists and the occasional new threat.

You know what? I want this, I friggin' want this soooo badly.

I had a feeling you'd like this. Heaven knows I do. Heck, between Schezo usually being regarded as a Butt Monkey by half of the cast and a weirdo by the other half, he DESERVES this. Trust me, when I said that early on in his alter-ego career, Schezo would go after anyone who wronged him/attempts to wrong him, I meant EVERYONE. From the Madou-era to the Fever-era to Puyo 7's cast, NO ONE would be safe from his vengeance. Possibly the one saving grace to all of this would be that he WOULD be willing to keep his anger in check, and not involve any innocents on his "crusade".

BTW, I forgot to mention that Witch aside, many characters do attempt to find just who this alter-ego is, only for Schezo to (just barely) give them the slip.

BTW, what do you think of my idea of Witch being his sidekick and via blackmail, no less?

Speaking of Witch, I should mention that were a few things I forgot to mention in my last post. Specifically, once Witch puts two and two together, Schezo DOES panic like you wouldn't believe. He'd practically get on his knees begging her not to tell anyone, ESPECIALLY not Arle, Satan, and Rulue as they'd all be on him in a instant, wanting his head on a pike.

He even contemplates being her permanent assistant/(literal) guinea pig forever, or even giving her ALL of himself to her his hair to her, willing to go bald, if that's what it takes to keep her quiet. To his utter shock, she'd state she doesn't want any of that, and that she wants one thing from him: to be his sidekick for the sake of getting back at Arle and Draco for any and all humiliations, and the simple fact that she'd find the whole thing fun as a pastime.

Of course, the part about her ulterior motive of wanting to spend time with Schezo would go totally unmentioned by her.

I also want to mention that during Witch's time being around Schezo and his alter-ego, her personality would change, causing her to be more pleasant to be around. She wouldn't make a total 180 (she'd still keep her mischievous streak and work on potions that could easily endanger her and those around her), but Schezo would take notice of this and always chalk it up to her enjoying being a superhero rather than the simple fact that she's legit enjoying the time she's spending around him.

 

[warelander]

Also, here's some food for thought: Pink Puyo. In what game do we see one? Puyo Puyo Fever 2, you say??? Iiiiinteresting...

Heh yeah, would be something if she was a Chu Puyo and there is nothing that contradicts that idea so....

Say, I don't suppose you have a screenshot of her?

One from the ending and her dialogue mugshot.

1. Exactly what role did the Fifths have? Were they just being led by Angol Mois, or was an entirely separate entity leading the charge for them to take over all of existence?

2. What was Pucchi, the Professor, and Puyorin's role in this game anyways?

3. How exactly did the Fifths force Daichi into transforming? Were his comrades in a pinch and he felt like he had no other options?

1) They were pretty much the generals that Angol Mois commanded, Red Mois (the one who's in the front) is considered the leader of the Fifths, but he too answers to Angol all the same.

2) Pucchi initially serves as a rival for Daichi in the game's first two chapters, but then takes it easier by opening up a shop, where the main trio can buy equipment and upgrades for their Protector mechs.

The Professor is the main trio's main ally and as Daichi's adoptive father of course a voice of encouragement, providing exposition on the world's backstory, giving Daichi upgrades that he was working on and his lab is also where the heroes go to work on their mechs.

Puyorin is a wild Puyo that Daichi befriends, pretty much becoming his answer to Carbuncle, a being a notable example of a Puyo who's actually a character.

3) Not sure about the specifics about how exactly the manage it, but they are the ones who force him into this form, since by that point the main trio know nothing about Daichi's nature as a victim of the experiments and it's because of that that he goes out of control when turning into a beast.

I had a feeling you'd like this. Heaven knows I do. Heck, between Schezo usually being regarded as a Butt Monkey by half of the cast and a weirdo by the other half, he DESERVES this. Trust me, when I said that early on in his alter-ego career, Schezo would go after anyone who wronged him/attempts to wrong him, I meant EVERYONE. From the Madou-era to the Fever-era to Puyo 7's cast, NO ONE would be safe from his vengeance. Possibly the one saving grace to all of this would be that he WOULD be willing to keep his anger in check, and not involve any innocents on his "crusade".

BTW, I forgot to mention that Witch aside, many characters do attempt to find just who this alter-ego is, only for Schezo to (just barely) give them the slip.

BTW, what do you think of my idea of Witch being his sidekick and via blackmail, no less?

Speaking of Witch, I should mention that were a few things I forgot to mention in my last post. Specifically, once Witch puts two and two together, Schezo DOES panic like you wouldn't believe. He'd practically get on his knees begging her not to tell anyone, ESPECIALLY not Arle, Satan, and Rulue as they'd all be on him in a instant, wanting his head on a pike.

He even contemplates being her permanent assistant/(literal) guinea pig forever, or even giving her ALL of himself to her his hair to her, willing to go bald, if that's what it takes to keep her quiet. To his utter shock, she'd state she doesn't want any of that, and that she wants one thing from him: to be his sidekick for the sake of getting back at Arle and Draco for any and all humiliations, and the simple fact that she'd find the whole thing fun as a pastime.

Of course, the part about her ulterior motive of wanting to spend time with Schezo would go totally unmentioned by her.

I also want to mention that during Witch's time being around Schezo and his alter-ego, her personality would change, causing her to be more pleasant to be around. She wouldn't make a total 180 (she'd still keep her mischievous streak and work on potions that could easily endanger her and those around her), but Schezo would take notice of this and always chalk it up to her enjoying being a superhero rather than the simple fact that she's legit enjoying the time she's spending around him.

Oh yes, I'd like all of that indeed.

Yah know it's funny, for as much as Compile liked to tease and affirm that Witch has a thing for Schezo they sure didn't give them many team ups.

 

[puyokid]

Heh yeah, would be something if she was a Chu Puyo and there is nothing that contradicts that idea so....

Exactly! You know, when I really think about it, it looks like Puyo Wars' story (and overall existence) honestly doesn't even seem to contradict ANYTHING about the series released after 1999. You can probably just as easily say that Puyo Wars take place LONG after SEGA's Puyo games (i.e. the Fever duology, PP7, etc.).

One from the ending and her dialogue mugshot.

Ah, I see. Thanks. Honestly, she looks just how I imagined.

1) They were pretty much the generals that Angol Mois commanded, Red Mois (the one who's in the front) is considered the leader of the Fifths, but he too answers to Angol all the same.

2) Pucchi initially serves as a rival for Daichi in the game's first two chapters, but then takes it easier by opening up a shop, where the main trio can buy equipment and upgrades for their Protector mechs.

The Professor is the main trio's main ally and as Daichi's adoptive father of course a voice of encouragement, providing exposition on the world's backstory, giving Daichi upgrades that he was working on and his lab is also where the heroes go to work on their mechs.

Puyorin is a wild Puyo that Daichi befriends, pretty much becoming his answer to Carbuncle, a notable example of a Puyo who's actually a character.

3) Not sure about the specifics about how exactly the manage it, but they are the ones who force him into this form, since by that point the main trio know nothing about Daichi's nature as a victim of the experiments and it's because of that that he goes out of control when turning into a beast.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the answers. I really appreciate it!

Oh yes, I'd like all of that indeed.

Yah know it's funny, for as much as Compile liked to tease and affirm that Witch has a thing for Schezo they sure didn't give them many team ups.

Oh, wow! You're right! I can't believe how that worked. Heck, I'm pretty sure SEGA doesn't do much better in that regard, right?

BTW, I wanted to ask two things.

1. Did you see the 7* upgrade art for the "Fever Recovery" group in Puyo Quest? I don't know about you, but I'm loving their art so far.

2. I thought Ocean Prince was part of that group, alongside everyone else from the Fever-era who haven't appeared in a mainstream game since Fever 2/15th.

 

[warelander]

Exactly! You know, when I really think about it, it looks like Puyo Wars' story (and overall existence) honestly doesn't even seem to contradict ANYTHING about the series released after 1999. You can probably just as easily say that Puyo Wars take place LONG after SEGA's Puyo games (i.e. the Fever duology, PP7, etc.).

Pretty much, yeah.

Oh, wow! You're right! I can't believe how that worked. Heck, I'm pretty sure SEGA doesn't do much better in that regard, right?

They really don't.

BTW, I wanted to ask two things.

1. Did you see the 7* upgrade art for the "Fever Recovery" group in Puyo Quest? I don't know about you, but I'm loving their art so far.

2. I thought Ocean Prince was part of that group, alongside everyone else from the Fever-era who haven't appeared in a mainstream game since Fever 2/15th.

1) Posted about this on Tumblr.

2) Well, his human form is, his Ocean Prince form is in the Fish Series. Meanwhile Howhow Bird and Baldlanders are in the Fever Animal Series and Oshare, the Frankensteins and Akuma are in the Monster Series.

Also, I know you saw it, but can I just bring this up?

 

[puyokid]

2) Well, his human form is, his Ocean Prince form is in the Fish Series. Meanwhile Howhow Bird and Baldlanders are in the Fever Animal Series and Oshare, the Frankensteins and Akuma are in the Monster Series.

Oh, OK. Thanks for the refresher.

Also, I know you saw it, but can I just bring this up?

Yeah, I saw that too, and you have to admit for a world that doesn't have much world-building to it, Suzuran having all these nods to the Puyo is a VERY interesting thing to see. Especially considering how Ringo's world has supposedly never heard of Puyo Puyo or even magic being a legit thing in nature whatsoever prior to PP7's events.

Also, as I've said on Tumblr, maybe my theory of how Suzuran is situated in Puyo Puyo’s interpretation of the “real world”might not be too unfounded after all…

Although, maybe this is just a leftover of PP7′s original concept of the game’s original setting being just as magical as Arle or Amitie’s world.

Hey, so...I have something a bit unrelated to talk to you about. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the U.S. is having a "Net Neutrality" thing going on, and if worst comes worst, I just want to say that I've TRULY enjoyed the time I've spent here with you, and talking about Puyo Puyo. Outside of you and a couple of others on Tumblr, I've never seen anyone so into Puyo and Madou like you all. Again, I appreciate you and everyone and the time we've spent together.

 

[warelander]

Although, maybe this is just a leftover of PP7′s original concept of the game’s original setting being just as magical as Arle or Amitie’s world.

Leftover from an earlier concept or not, I just find the way it ended up in the game clumsy, in a humerous way, because they make such s big deal out of the idea that Puyos are foreign to Ringo and her world and yet we have stuff like that.

Hey, so...I have something a bit unrelated to talk to you about. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the U.S. is having a "Net Neutrality" thing going on, and if worst comes worst, I just want to say that I've TRULY enjoyed the time I've spent here with you, and talking about Puyo Puyo. Outside of you and a couple of others on Tumblr, I've never seen anyone so into Puyo and Madou like you all. Again, I appreciate you and everyone and the time we've spent together.

I enjoyed it too, honestly I might not live in the US, but I know very well how the whole concept of taking away Net Neutrality would not only demolish the Internet as we know it, but also severely harm anyone who has to rely on the Internet to either make a living or need it to to research and study.

It just goes against so many levels of common sense or basic rights that I can't believe that this could ever come to pass, but the fact that it is even a subject to begin with is legitimately scary.

Either way all we can do now is to wait it out, it's been prevented before, hopefully that can happen again.

 

[puyokid]

Leftover from an earlier concept or not, I just find the way it ended up in the game clumsy, in a humorous way, because they make such a big deal out of the idea that Puyos are foreign to Ringo and her world and yet we have stuff like that.

What's more, Ringo, Risukuma, and Maguro NEVER note the Puyo statue and/or Ringo's hair clip. I mean, really? I don't know if that's bad storytelling on SEGA's end or just hilarious tongue-in-cheek shenanigans from SEGA.

I enjoyed it too, honestly I might not live in the US, but I know very well how the whole concept of taking away Net Neutrality would not only demolish the Internet as we know it, but also severely harm anyone who has to rely on the Internet to either make a living or need it to to research and study.

It just goes against so many levels of common sense or basic rights that I can't believe that this could ever come to pass, but the fact that it is even a subject to begin with is legitimately scary.

Either way all we can do now is to wait it out, it's been prevented before, hopefully that can happen again.

From what I'm aware of, internet companies can't act on the repeal instantly without getting into legal trouble and the repeal itself may be an illegal action that requires investigation. I'm pretty sure a lawsuit is already revving up, and the House is starting to pass around a bill to block the FCC's nonsense that has at least a few Republicans on board.

I'm currently backing up this file or that onto a flash drive in case of an apocalypse, but with Ajit Pai flipping off due process there's still at least a chance due process can flip him off back. The fight for net neutrality doesn't end tomorrow, I think we all have to remember that. Surrendering the instant we "lose" is what they want us to do, above all we can't do that.

 

[warelander]

What's more, Ringo, Risukuma, and Maguro NEVER note the Puyo statue and/or Ringo's hair clip. I mean, really? I don't know if that's bad storytelling on SEGA's end or just hilarious tongue-in-cheek shenanigans from SEGA.

Considering that it clearly wasn't intentional that's not surprising.

Also the post I made about this was the first time that I have seen the prologue in quite a while and I gotta say I forgot how amazingly dumb it is, because there's a flash of light, Arle pops up to tell Ringo that being exposed to that light enables her to pop Puyo, even though this has never been a thing before and both Maguro and Risukuma can play Puyo despite never being exposed to said light.

Like seriously, what the hell kind of ''plot point'' (using that term very generously here) was that supposed to be?

From what I'm aware of, internet companies can't act on the repeal instantly without getting into legal trouble and the repeal itself may be an illegal action that requires investigation. I'm pretty sure a lawsuit is already revving up, and the House is starting to pass around a bill to block the FCC's nonsense that has at least a few Republicans on board.

I'm currently backing up this file or that onto a flash drive in case of an apocalypse, but with Ajit Pai flipping off due process there's still at least a chance due process can flip him off back. The fight for net neutrality doesn't end tomorrow, I think we all have to remember that. Surrendering the instant we "lose" is what they want us to do, above all we can't do that.

Fighting and not giving up is all anyone can do at this point.

 

[puyokid]

Considering that it clearly wasn't intentional that's not surprising.

Also the post I made about this was the first time that I have seen the prologue in quite a while and I gotta say I forgot how amazingly dumb it is, because there's a flash of light, Arle pops up to tell Ringo that being exposed to that light enables her to pop Puyo, even though this has never been a thing before and both Maguro and Risukuma can play Puyo despite never being exposed to said light.

Like seriously, what the hell kind of ''plot point'' (using that term very generously here) was that supposed to be?

Oh, my gosh. I can't even begin to tell you how much this aspect of PP7's story bugs the crap out of me like you wouldn't believe. As much as I love PP7's cast...God, I dislike some of the story's aspects. It feels like this aspect of the game's story is one of the things that feel like a testament to this game feeling like a half-assed cashgrab of a game (among MANY other things).

Fighting and not giving up is all anyone can do at this point.

Speaking of which, it looks like the FCC pretty outvoted Net Neutrality, but we still have a fighting chance over here with our Congress being the be-all, end-all vote.

 

[warelander]

Oh, my gosh. I can't even begin to tell you how much this aspect of PP7's story bugs the crap out of me like you wouldn't believe. As much as I love PP7's cast...God, I dislike some of the story's aspects. It feels like this aspect of the game's story is one of the things that feel like a testament to this game feeling like a half-assed cashgrab of a game (among MANY other things).

PP7's story is easily the worst thing about it for me, I mean the gameplay, even with some flaws with the AI or not that great Henshin mode is still Puyo Puyo at it's core, but the story is just dumb on so many levels. I'd like to give it credit for trying to seem like it's a big more dramatic story, but I just don't think it's done well, that bit in the prologue that I mentioned means nothing, Amitie is stated by Feli to be the ''key to the fate'' which is really just an excuse to shoehorn her into a main character role and that's not even going into all the things that I ranted about before.

I mean yeah PP7's story is hardly the worst thing in the world, but it just feels like it's a bunch of ideas duct taped together, that never actually connect or feel like they should be together, given how often concepts like the two I mentioned above are brought up, but never amount to anything or just how quick the game is to drop characters, without ever letting them do anything of note, even Maguro and Risukuma, despite appearing more often then most others, disappear without any fanfare time and time again.

Speaking of which, it looks like the FCC pretty outvoted Net Neutrality, but we still have a fighting chance over here with our Congress being the be-all, end-all vote.

I'd rather this be the last thing that I say about this for a while (since I don't feel comfortable talking politics), but there's already plenty of states suing, from what I heard and given how corrupt this whole thing is and how in the past, this repeal has already been blocked by courts twice now, this is certainly still far from over.

 

[puyokid]

PP7's story is easily the worst thing about it for me, I mean the gameplay, even with some flaws with the AI or not that great Henshin mode is still Puyo Puyo at it's core, but the story is just dumb on so many levels. I'd like to give it credit for trying to seem like it's a big more dramatic story, but I just don't think it's done well, that bit in the prologue that I mentioned means nothing, Amitie is stated by Feli to be the ''key to the fate'' which is really just an excuse to shoehorn her into a main character role and that's not even going into all the things that I ranted about before.

I mean yeah PP7's story is hardly the worst thing in the world, but it just feels like it's a bunch of ideas duct taped together, that never actually connect or feel like they should be together, given how often concepts like the two I mentioned above are brought up, but never amount to anything or just how quick the game is to drop characters, without ever letting them do anything of note, even Maguro and Risukuma, despite appearing more often than most others, disappear without any fanfare time and time again.

Now all of that right there is what turns me off somewhat from the idea of SEGA giving things yet another go in terms of doing another darker Puyo game.

I mean, as we've said already, that whole bit with how one gains the power to keep up with the likes of Arle, Satan and the rest of the cast is total bull.

Also, Feli actually referred to Amitie as...THAT? Seriously? You know what's crazy? Believe it or not, I actually would have accepted Amitie being referred to as this...IF the series was continuing off of Fever 2's plot, but with PP7 going off the rails to be its own thing, this just ends up yet ANOTHER half-baked aspect of PP7's story, this time in order to shoehorn Amitie into the game's plot.

Don't get me wrong, I love Amitie, but let's be real here. She (as much as I don't want to sound harsh about it) had virtually no real place in the game's plot in the long run. As I've said in the past, her role of accompanying Ringo across the world could have have easily been filled by both Risukuma and Maguro, and considering how they're supposed PP7's ARS trio, that would have made so much more sense.

Even today, I can't even describe how off it felt to have the likes of the Madou-era cast (bar Suketoudara and Satan) and Fever-era cast (bar Amitie) show up for 2-3 sections, and then disappear without a trace. Especially jarring with Ris and Maguro who are some of Ringo's closest friends, and despite being rescued after getting controlled by Ecolo, don't even meet Arle (and Ecolo).

I'd rather this be the last thing that I say about this for a while (since I don't feel comfortable talking politics), but there's already plenty of states suing, from what I heard and given how corrupt this whole thing is and how in the past, this repeal has already been blocked by courts twice now, this is certainly still far from over.

Oh, don't get me wrong. Politics aren't exactly my forte either, and I don't really like touching onto stuff like that, but I can say that our Congress has already refused this twice, and if we keep the momentum, we can be safe for a third time.

Little tidbit: My state is one of the ones suing for NN to be kept intact.

 

[warelander]

Now all of that right there is what turns me off somewhat from the idea of SEGA giving things yet another go in terms of doing another darker Puyo game.

I wouldn't go that far, PP7's story is bad, but I while I might personally have issues with the later stories and find the setup with the same 5 characters every time to be repetetive and stale, they are servicable and have some true strong points, like the Tetris characters or Rafisol, along with their own repective arcs. Special mention goes to the latter, since I wasn't that big on the idea of an anti-Ally character and thus didn't expect to like her, yet she quickly became one of my favorite post-Fever characters, even rivaling T and X, simply because they made her a very compelling and in my opinion, underrated character.

My point is, I'm sure they could do it better, PP7 really isn't indicative of the writing quality of SEGA's Puyo output.

Also, Feli actually referred to Amitie as...THAT? Seriously? You know what's crazy? Believe it or not, I actually would have accepted Amitie being referred to as this...IF the series was continuing off of Fever 2's plot, but with PP7 going off the rails to be its own thing, this just ends up yet ANOTHER half-baked aspect of PP7's story, this time in order to shoehorn Amitie into the game's plot.

I'm the complete opposite, I'd hate it if that were the case, because the Fever games were a lot more about Primp at large (with three focus characters of course, but still) and everyone around it, rather then a single main character. Glorifying Amitie like that goes against all of that.

I honestly just don't see why she always needs to be a main character, especially when characters like Raffine or Sig, who have much more to work with, are constantly treated as expendable. I mean Arle wasn't a important character in the Fever duology, since there simply wasn't a place for her to get a bigger role, but did that hurt the narrative? Not at all.