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Yeeeaaah...I've noticed your recent Tumblr posts HAVE had a conspicuous surplus of Wario-related posts recently... Seriously though, I REALLY want Ninty to reveal Mona's new look for this game already.
Hehe, what can I say, when I'm in the Wario mood you reeeeeallly start to realize just how much I love him and his franchise, but yeah Mona is among the new designs that I'm the most curious about myself, along with 18-Volt and Young Cricket.

Yeah, I guess you have a point there. Initially, I was very unsure about Ninty continuing to support the 3DS for this long, but now that it is...well, my hope that Chronicles will be localized are still up there.
Oh certainly, I mean with the Bowser's Inside Story remake we even have 2019 title in the pipelines, so SEGA still has plenty time.

BTW, what do you think of Kirby Star Allies and its recent news?
Looks good, I'm trying to stay clear of spoilers, but I did catch some stuff, like the revealed playable characters (Gooey!) and one of the new Stone Kirby cameos (Ribbon!!) and frankly, anything that acknowledges the Dark Matter trilogy get's at least twenty thumps up from me.
 

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I'd still love to see Puyo Puyo Chronicles get brought over here to the west. That said, while I'm glad the 3DS is still getting support and people are still buying that thing, I kinda feel like it would only help its chances of success if it got ported to Switch, PS4 and maybe the Xbox One if the resources are there.

I'm aware some gameplay elements might need some reworking to make it work on those systems, though a part of me does feel like it could be done anyways.

Let me make this clear; I'm not at all against bringing over the 3DS game; not everyone can afford the new hardware, at least not yet, so I know it will at least be appreciated by that audience, and they'd probably appreciate having something to look forward to.

I just feel like even with the 3DS doing well now, Sega might be smart to port it to other systems, if only to be on the safe side. Not necessarily skip the 3DS version, but bring over any ports alongside it. It's hard to say where the 3DS will be by the time they bring over the game, so ports might not be a bad idea.
 
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I'd still love to see Puyo Puyo Chronicles get brought over here to the west. That said, while I'm glad the 3DS is still getting support and people are still buying that thing, I kinda feel like it would only help its chances of success if it got ported to Switch, PS4 and maybe the Xbox One if the resources are there.

I'm aware some gameplay elements might need some reworking to make it work on those systems, though a part of me does feel like it could be done anyways.

Let me make this clear; I'm not at all against bringing over the 3DS game; not everyone can afford the new hardware, at least not yet, so I know it will at least be appreciated by that audience, and they'd probably appreciate having something to look forward to.

I just feel like even with the 3DS doing well now, Sega might be smart to port it to other systems, if only to be on the safe side. Not necessarily skip the 3DS version, but bring over any ports alongside it. It's hard to say where the 3DS will be by the time they bring over the game, so ports might not be a bad idea.
You know, I've had the same thought of Puyo Chronicles being released on things like the Switch. Don't get me wrong, I have NO prob with it being released on the 3DS either. It just feels like the Switch would a bit more..."mainstream"?

BTW, everyone. I've been wondering, has read that recent translation of Fever 2's archives detailing Arle's current knowledge on the Puyos' power to teleport people to different dimensions?
 

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I did, certainly interesting how Puyo appearently might just vanish to another world, rather then be killed, it does raise the question of what exactly Arle did different that time to be warped as well, but they leave that intentionally open.

Quite an intersting concept, that they won't ever revisit.
 

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I did, certainly interesting how Puyo apparently might just vanish to another world, rather then be killed, it does raise the question of what exactly Arle did different that time to be warped as well, but they leave that intentionally open.

Quite an interesting concept, that they won't ever revisit.
That's what I'm wondering myself. I also wonder what the heck the likes of Rulue, Schezo, Satan, and all those other guys did as well, not to mention wondering what the odds are of them possibly doing the same thing Arle and Carbuncle did to get teleported.

As for people like Draco, Witch, Harpy, and Skeleton-T, I feel as though Ecolo's screwing around caused them to land in Ringo's world initially and later on Primp.
 
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Again, as much as I resent the world hopping thing for what it did with the series' narrative since PP7, I do like how they did try to tie the rather vague nature of the Puyo into it and would like if they could use that to expalin characters appearing in other worlds beyond just ''they have to be there'', but as I said, I don't see them revisiting this.
 

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Again, as much as I resent the world hopping thing for what it did with the series' narrative since PP7, I do like how they did try to tie the rather vague nature of the Puyo into it and would like if they could use that to explain characters appearing in other worlds beyond just ''they have to be there'', but as I said, I don't see them revisiting this.
I wish the same thing, too. Heck, I'm still bothered over how we never get a full explanation as how Lemres supposedly found a "shortcut" to Primp from Suzuran (Both of which are locations situated in different UNIVERSES, BTW).

As we all know, SEGA doesn't exactly feel the need to delve into such deep things like how Compile did.
 

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I wish the same thing, too. Heck, I'm still bothered over how we never get a full explanation as how Lemres supposedly found a "shortcut" to Primp from Suzuran (Both of which are locations situated in different UNIVERSES, BTW).
That's pretty much what I'm saying, back during the Fever days Arle landing in Primp and having a hard time to find a way back home was treated like a big deal, one could argue hat even 15th with the return of six Madou era characters at once was already a sign of the concept deteriorating.

I don't quite agree with that one, since by that point you can make the argument quite easily that the worlds might just be connected in a way, thing is if you add another new world it starts to become harder to justify and then PPT just went with some real asspulls, like Arle and Amitie just falling out of the sky, for the sake of them being main players in the story or cases like the one with Lemres you mentioned,´or Chapter 8, where characters like Yu, Rei or Draco can show up in Suzuran, with no explaination. It just cheapens the whole ''multiple worlds'' idea, since it brings up complications that force the story to bring the worlds together somehow, only to to ignore their rules anyway. Which is why I find the whole multiple worlds setup to be a tumor towards the series' narrative these days,

As we all know, SEGA doesn't exactly feel the need to delve into such deep things like how Compile did.
Except they do, not just with the Fever backstory things, but also they way they delve into the Tetris charas and the story they establish around them or pretty much anything involving Rafisol. SEGA's problem is that they starting with 7 began to rely on a formular, that forces everything that doesn't fit in it to go out of focus or bend to fit it.
 

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That's pretty much what I'm saying. Back during the Fever-era days, Arle landing in Primp and having a hard time to find a way back home was treated like a big deal, one could argue that even 15th with the return of six Madou era characters at once was already a sign of the concept deteriorating.

I don't quite agree with that one, since by that point you can make the argument quite easily that the worlds might just be connected in a way, thing is if you add another new world it starts to become harder to justify and then PPT just went with some real asspulls, like Arle and Amitie just falling out of the sky, for the sake of them being main players in the story or cases like the one with Lemres you mentioned, or Chapter 8, where characters like Yu, Rei or Draco can show up in Suzuran, with no explanation. It just cheapens the whole ''multiple worlds'' idea, since it brings up complications that force the story to bring the worlds together somehow, only to to ignore their rules anyway. Which is why I find the whole multiple worlds setup to be a tumor towards the series' narrative these days
You know, I forgot to mention this in my last post, but you can also find a similar problem in 20th. I mean, how in the world could Ringo, Risukuma, Maguro, and Ecolo all end up in Primp so easily? Believe it or not, I would accept them being teleported to Primp if Ris actually invented a teleporting device, but what he made was supposedly FAR from that.

Except they do, not just with the Fever backstory things, but also they way they delve into the Tetris charas and the story they establish around them or pretty much anything involving Rafisol. SEGA's problem is that they starting with 7 began to rely on a formula, that forces everything that doesn't fit in it to go out of focus or bend to fit it.
Jeez, what does this series think it is? A gag cartoon?
 

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Jeez, what does this series think it is? A gag cartoon?
Well, Puyo has always been primarily about the comedy, thing is that it can be more and it still is at times, even today, with the Tetris charas and Rafisol, the latter even being a rare case of a character who is 0% played for laughs.

It's the established cast that they seem to be outright afraid to really do much of interest with, especially the ones outside of the usual 5 and then again outside of Ringo in PPT or some character moments for Ecolo I don't think anything is really done with them, beyond their obligatory major roles.

Sig is a good example of a wasted character, all the backstory around him, Strange Klug still being around, the still unexplained Black Sig form, as well as dynamics with other characters that are barely touched upon in many cases (the last time he and Ocean Prince interacted was in 20th Anni. back in 2011(!) ). He just get's nothing to do these days and it especially shows in Chronicle, where he barely shows up at times in cutscenes and when he does it's usually about bugs or Amitie, rather then any other aspect of his character.

Funny thing is I have been feeling rather nostalgic for Yu-Gi-Oh GX recently and that show's season 3 and how it deconstructs the main character Judai is actually a good example of something that I feel could be done with Sig (though be it a bit less grim). Thing is I just don't see SEGA doing something like that, I give them more credit then Compile in many regards, but the static state of the recurring cast currently is a personal disappointment for me.
 

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Well, Puyo has always been primarily about the comedy, thing is that it can be more and it still is at times, even today, with the Tetris charas and Rafisol, the latter even being a rare case of a character who is 0% played for laughs.

It's the established cast that they seem to be outright afraid to really do much of interest with, especially the ones outside of the usual 5 and then again outside of Ringo in PPT or some character moments for Ecolo I don't think anything is really done with them, beyond their obligatory major roles.

Sig is a good example of a wasted character, all the backstory around him, Strange Klug still being around, the still unexplained Black Sig form, as well as dynamics with other characters that are barely touched upon in many cases (the last time he and Ocean Prince interacted was in 20th Anni. back in 2011(!) ). He just get's nothing to do these days and it especially shows in Chronicle, where he barely shows up at times in cutscenes and when he does it's usually about bugs or Amitie, rather than any other aspect of his character.

Funny thing is I have been feeling rather nostalgic for Yu-Gi-Oh GX recently and that show's season 3 and how it deconstructs the main character Judai is actually a good example of something that I feel could be done with Sig (though be it a bit less grim). Thing is I just don't see SEGA doing something like that, I give them more credit than Compile in many regards, but the static state of the recurring cast currently is a personal disappointment for me.
You know, I should probably mention that my last about the whole "gag cartoon" thing was actually being said somewhat ironically (I hope I'm using this right...)

That being said, you have a point that SEGA doesn't seem to do anything (meaningful) with the established cast.

The Madou-era cast (with the possible exception of Suketoudara and MAYBE Witch) is still flanderized beyond belief.
The Fever-era cast is totally stagnant in terms of character development, post-15th Anniversary.
Risukuma and Maguro don't have much to do outside of giving Ringo someone to hang with whenever Arle and Amitie aren't around.

I mean, we've even agreed that the 'A' Trio (despite arguably being considered the main characters of the series since PP7/20th) doesn't even have much of a dynamic, to the point where it just feels like they're together for the sake of keeping to the 'A' naming theme.

As for Sig, you've pretty much covered how SEGA's totally wasted his potential that he could have had, alongside Strange Klug, and his Black Sig form. Heck, Black Sig was even going to appear as early as 15th, so make of that what you will...

You know, it's funny. I personally give COMPILE more credit than SEGA with character development. I mean, Doppel's character arc could have gone somewhere following Yo~n, but once SEGA (fully) took over, Doppel's a near non-entity these days outside of Puyo Quest, and even then...
 

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You know, I should probably mention that my last about the whole "gag cartoon" thing was actually being said somewhat ironically (I hope I'm using this right...)

That being said, you have a point that SEGA doesn't seem to do anything (meaningful) with the established cast.

The Madou-era cast (with the possible exception of Suketoudara and MAYBE Witch) is still flanderized beyond belief.
The Fever-era cast is totally stagnant in terms of character development, post-15th Anniversary.
Risukuma and Maguro don't have much to do outside of giving Ringo someone to hang with whenever Arle and Amitie aren't around.

I mean, we've even agreed that the 'A' Trio (despite arguably being considered the main characters of the series since PP7/20th) doesn't even have much of a dynamic, to the point where it just feels like they're together for the sake of keeping to the 'A' naming theme.

As for Sig, you've pretty much covered how SEGA's totally wasted his potential that he could have had, alongside Strange Klug, and his Black Sig form. Heck, Black Sig was even going to appear as early as 15th, so make of that what you will...

You know, it's funny. I personally give COMPILE more credit than SEGA with character development. I mean, Doppel's character arc could have gone somewhere following Yo~n, but once SEGA (fully) took over, Doppel's a near non-entity these days outside of Puyo Quest, and even then...
Thing is I don't even think that SEGA is at all inept when it comes to Puyo storytelling, I blame what's currently going on entirely on the current formula. I said it before and I'll say it a million times over, but of course the series' narrative is going to become stagnant, when it's always the same five characters every time + whoever happens to be new, you aren't going to get much more out of the returning cast then Ecolo being a fuck-up and Satan's infernal boner for Arle.

The rest of the cast has been rendered irrelevant as a result, regardless how much there's left hanging, there ain't exactly much that Sig or Raffine can accomplish in the minimal amount of screentime they are given and others like Rulue, Witch or Draco have done so little since their respective returns to the series that you could easily cut them again and not lose much of anything of note.

It doesn't help that the limited amount of screentime can lead to bad cases of flanderization or some cases make it seem like such a case, because I actually don't think that Rulue for instance has really been flanderized, she was always obssesive and psychotic about her crush on Satan, she just get's nothing to do anymore, which is why that's pretty much all she has now, as opposed to a change in her characterization.

That's the thing, there's only so much you can do with the Arle/Amitie/Ringo/Satan/Ecolo combo and even that has been exhausted a long time ago, the other characters still have plenty things to offer, development to experience and plot points to wrap up, but as long as the series continues to treat them like second rate material we ain't gonna see any of it.
 

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Thing is I don't even think that SEGA is at all inept when it comes to Puyo storytelling, I blame what's currently going on entirely on the current formula. I said it before and I'll say it a million times over, but of course the series' narrative is going to become stagnant, when it's always the same five characters every time + whoever happens to be new, you aren't going to get much more out of the returning cast then Ecolo being a fuck-up and Satan's infernal boner for Arle.
Dear God...and this has been going on for, what? 4 games now? Well, I mean...should I count 20th Anniversary?

The rest of the cast has been rendered irrelevant as a result, regardless how much there's left hanging, there ain't exactly much that Sig or Raffine can accomplish in the minimal amount of screentime they are given and others like Rulue, Witch or Draco have done so little since their respective returns to the series that you could easily cut them again and not lose much of anything of note.

It doesn't help that the limited amount of screentime can lead to bad cases of flanderization or some cases make it seem like such a case, because I actually don't think that Rulue for instance has really been flanderized, she was always obsessive and psychotic about her crush on Satan, she just gets nothing to do anymore, which is why that's pretty much all she has now, as opposed to a change in her characterization.
You know, now that you mention it...can we really say that Rulue, Schezo, Suketoudara, or Witch have been flanderized? I mean, you already have a point that due to the limited screentime SEGA gives the cast outside of the usual 5, characters like Rulue just don't really have anything important to do anymore but psychotically lust for Satan.

Heck, Schezo has always pined for Arle's power and was always regarded as a creeper, it's just that (to me) that gag has REALLY run its course over the last couple of years (specifically after 15th or maybe Puyo 7, if I'm being generous about it).

Witch never really did much in the first place aside from create potions, occasionally screw over customers and anyone unlucky enough to incur her wrath, and attempt to cheat to defeat Arle.

Suketoudara is in the same situation as Witch, not really being important in the first place, but being around for comic relief. Good comic relief, IMO.

Sadly, Draco HAS a severe case of Flanderization to deal with, losing the majority (if not, ALL) of her tomboys traits, being more of a perpetually hungry dimwit. I mean, I still love her, but SEGA...what the heck?

That's the thing, there's only so much you can do with the Arle/Amitie/Ringo/Satan/Ecolo combo and even that has been exhausted a long time ago, the other characters still have plenty things to offer, development to experience and plot points to wrap up, but as long as the series continues to treat them like second rate material we ain't gonna see any of it.
It's like they have all of this material to work from all these dimensions worth of characters and rich lore, yet SEGA won't touch it with a 10-foot pole...

BTW...I don't if you saw this, but I came across something VERY interesting. It's basically about the Puyo/Madou timeline. One thing's for certain...Doppelganger Arle x Sig is no longer a far-fetched ship to me anymore after reading about Doppel's TRUE history and her REAL motives behind wanting to kill Arle. Heck, her very first alt. in Quest can be tied to the lore found on this site! Specifically, the part about how Doppel knows something about Arle that no one does.

That being said, if you could reblog this: https://puyohero.tumblr.com/post/172317966245/shin-madou-timeline-puyo-puyo-universe-legends

And read this: http://puyopuyouniverse.proboards.com/thread/43/shin-madou-timeline

No, seriously. Read the "Old Madou world" stuff, and then read the entirety of Puyo Puyo~n's entry in that thing. Believe me when I say EVERYTHING about Doppel will make SO much more sense after you do. Her hatred for Arle AND Satan ESPECIALLY. Heck, because of this, I'm wondering more than ever just how Compile would resolve her character arc, if they'd be able to do it at ALL considering that it feels like Doppel would be at one heck of an impasse.

BTW, all that stuff about Doppel and Arle? It technically carries into Fever 1 and onward. ESPECIALLY if Puyo Quest's new alt. for Doppel is any indication.
 

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You know, now that you mention it...can we really say that Rulue, Schezo, Suketoudara, or Witch have been flanderized? I mean, you already have a point that due to the limited screentime SEGA gives the cast outside of the usual 5, characters like Rulue just don't really have anything important to do anymore but psychotically lust for Satan.

Heck, Schezo has always pined for Arle's power and was always regarded as a creeper, it's just that (to me) that gag has REALLY run its course over the last couple of years (specifically after 15th or maybe Puyo 7, if I'm being generous about it).

Witch never really did much in the first place aside from create potions, occasionally screw over customers and anyone unlucky enough to incur her wrath, and attempt to cheat to defeat Arle.

Suketoudara is in the same situation as Witch, not really being important in the first place, but being around for comic relief. Good comic relief, IMO.

Sadly, Draco HAS a severe case of Flanderization to deal with, losing the majority (if not, ALL) of her tomboys traits, being more of a perpetually hungry dimwit. I mean, I still love her, but SEGA...what the heck?
That's just how it feels like to me yah know, apart from Draco or Sig in Puyo Chronicle I feel like it's more that the rest of the cast simply seems one note due to their lack of any meaningful moments or roles, which leaves their most prominent traits as the only thing they have.

BTW...I don't if you saw this, but I came across something VERY interesting. It's basically about the Puyo/Madou timeline. One thing's for certain...Doppelganger Arle x Sig is no longer a far-fetched ship to me anymore after reading about Doppel's TRUE history and her REAL motives behind wanting to kill Arle. Heck, her very first alt. in Quest can be tied to the lore found on this site! Specifically, the part about how Doppel knows something about Arle that no one does.

That being said, if you could reblog this: https://puyohero.tumblr.com/post/172317966245/shin-madou-timeline-puyo-puyo-universe-legends

And read this: http://puyopuyouniverse.proboards.com/thread/43/shin-madou-timeline

No, seriously. Read the "Old Madou world" stuff, and then read the entirety of Puyo Puyo~n's entry in that thing. Believe me when I say EVERYTHING about Doppel will make SO much more sense after you do. Her hatred for Arle AND Satan ESPECIALLY. Heck, because of this, I'm wondering more than ever just how Compile would resolve her character arc, if they'd be able to do it at ALL considering that it feels like Doppel would be at one heck of an impasse.

BTW, all that stuff about Doppel and Arle? It technically carries into Fever 1 and onward. ESPECIALLY if Puyo Quest's new alt. for Doppel is any indication.
Wasn't really active on Tumblr yesterday, but this one did catch my attention, very interesting indeed. It is nice to have something that clarifies a lot about her character, like which appearences of Doppel even are the Doppel from YON, as well as a concrete origin and backstory. Not gonna lie, I always thought that Doppel seemed like there would be a tragic element to her character, but it feels validating to know that I really was onto something after all.

Also funny you bring up Doppel x Sig, because this background for her means that she and Arle are both incomplete beings and only one half each, of what used to be one being, not unlike how Sig is incomplete as well. That's sure giving me something to think about.

Gotta say, this was a very big surprise for me, makes me want Doppel back all the more.
 

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That's just how it feels like to me yah know? Apart from Draco or Sig in Puyo Chronicle, I feel like it's more that the rest of the cast simply seems one note due to their lack of any meaningful moments or roles, which leaves their most prominent traits as the only thing they have.
Yeah, that seems about right. I mean, as I've said before, most of the cast don't seem to be flanderized (greatly). It's just that SEGA barely/doesn't do a darn thing with them anymore.

Wasn't really active on Tumblr yesterday, but this one did catch my attention, very interesting indeed. It is nice to have something that clarifies a lot about her character, like which appearances of Doppel even are the Doppel from YON, as well as a concrete origin and backstory. Not gonna lie, I always thought that Doppel seemed like there would be a tragic element to her character, but it feels validating to know that I really was onto something after all.
I know, right? Until now, I had virtually NO idea that "Doppel" in the Final Test and Doppel from Yo~n were never the same character to begin with, although I always had my suspicions. Honestly, you don't know how excited I am that Doppel (from Yo~n) has her motives TOTALLY cleared up now, and her claims of being the "REAL Arle" were never just her dabbling in cliche Doppelganger talk. I mean, really! You have no idea how glad I am that Doppel isn't just some random element to the series anymore.

To think that that Arle has been an incomplete being all this time, and Doppel's been her other half who (despite having full knowledge of it) is dismissed as her other half. Dear GOD, the similarities to Sig and Strange Klug couldn't BE anymore blatant! Heck, it's even said that following Arle and Doppel's separation, the Arle we have today has lost the majority of her power and if they ever fuse, Arle's power would be GOD-LIKE.

Gotta say, this was a very big surprise for me, makes me want Doppel back all the more.
Same here. Same here. Heck, considering Doppel's recent Quest alt., which seems to HEAVILY refer to her being Arle's other half and that only she (and Satan) have knowledge of such info.
 

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I know, right? Until now, I had virtually NO idea that "Doppel" in the Final Test and Doppel from Yo~n were never the same character to begin with, although I always had my suspicions. Honestly, you don't know how excited I am that Doppel (from Yo~n) has her motives TOTALLY cleared up now, and her claims of being the "REAL Arle" were never just her dabbling in cliche Doppelganger talk. I mean, really! You have no idea how glad I am that Doppel isn't just some random element to the series anymore.
I also deconfirms my previous headcanon of YON Doppel being Warle, not saying that as a negative though, since my main draw towards that idea was to try and assign a distict origin to her, which we actually have a concrete one now.

Not gonna lie there are some elements of this timeline that I enjoy more then others, I'm particulary iffy on the idea that almost the entire Compile cast as we know them today are just fabricated replicas by Satan, while the originals are dead, Doppel's clarified character on the other hand is something I greatly appreciate.

To think that that Arle has been an incomplete being all this time, and Doppel's been her other half who (despite having full knowledge of it) is dismissed as her other half. Dear GOD, the similarities to Sig and Strange Klug couldn't BE anymore blatant
It does add another parallel between Arle and Sig, which is interesting for me, because while not a expy Sig does have some very notable similarities with her, being a blue hero with a red other half or the Oniko/Sig/Onion Pixy situation, which can be compared to the Satan/Arle/Rulue one, where Satan/Oniko is in love with Arle/Sig, who isn't interested, yet still has to put up with the wrath of Rulue/Onion Pixy. I actually really wish the two would get to talk about that in the games, just to realize that those scenarios are very much the same thing.
 

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It also deconfirms my previous headcanon of YON Doppel being Warle. Not saying that as a negative though, since my main draw towards that idea was to try and assign a distinct origin to her, which we actually have a concrete one now.
Something I'm very appreciative of. You know, it still sort of fascinates me that Compile may have already set this info as canon for who-knows-how-long, and no one translated it up until now.

Not gonna lie, there are some elements of this timeline that I enjoy more than others. I'm particularly iffy on the idea that almost the entire Compile cast as we know them today are just fabricated replicas by Satan, while the originals are dead, Doppel's clarified character on the other hand is something I greatly appreciate.
Yeah, I'm also pretty iffy on the former thing. Heck, I may ALWAYS be iffy on that. To think, just about EVERYONE from the Madou-era Puyo games (I wouldn't be surprised if this list included characters like Chico, who never appeared in a Madou game) are all nothing more than 1:1 copies of their respective original articles, and even in Arle's case, Satan's semi-botched rescue of her from being lost between the dimensions would STILL come back to bite him in the butt in the form of Doppel.

Mind you, it's said that he took pity on Doppel in Yo~n's beginning due to feeling responsible for her fate, but after being lost between dimensions for 500 years, she wasn't exactly ready to just forgive him just like that. THAT'S when things supposedly went to Puyo Hell for Satan, and led to Yo~n's events happening whatsoever. Also, Arle being revealed to have god-like power makes Doppel's ability to possess him a lot more plausible when compared to Ecolo possessing him....

Heck, I wonder if maybe Satan DIDN'T recreate people like the Count or even Fudoushi, and that's why they don't appear in-universe, yet the Count's minions (Demon Servant, Vampire, and Water Elemental) and Fudoushi's minions (Mamono, Cockatrice) DO appear. Gives you a LOT to think about.

It does add another parallel between Arle and Sig, which is interesting for me, because while not a expy Sig does have some very notable similarities with her, being a blue hero with a red other half or the Oniko/Sig/Onion Pixy situation, which can be compared to the Satan/Arle/Rulue one, where Satan/Oniko is in love with Arle/Sig, who isn't interested, yet still has to put up with the wrath of Rulue/Onion Pixy. I actually really wish the two would get to talk about that in the games, just to realize that those scenarios are very much the same thing.
Exactly! I haven't even noticed the parallels with the whole Arle/Satan/Rulue and Sig/Oniko/Onion Pixie thing until you brought it up!
 

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Something I'm very appreciative of. You know, it still sort of fascinates me that Compile may have already set this info as canon for who-knows-how-long, and no one translated it up until now.
That's the thing with supplementary materials, they are always more obscure and difficult to access, for anyone, including those who could do the translation work.

Heck, I wonder if maybe Satan DIDN'T recreate people like the Count or even Fudoushi, and that's why they don't appear in-universe, yet the Count's minions (Demon Servant, Vampire, and Water Elemental) and Fudoushi's minions (Mamono, Cockatrice) DO appear. Gives you a LOT to think about.
It makes you question a lot of things indeed, also I don't really get the whole idea of you just not aging when in this new Madou World, there might just be some context I'm missing, but if this is a rule that Satan established then....well...his lusting over Arle has just gotten a lot creepier, to put that very nicely.

Exactly! I haven't even noticed the parallels with the whole Arle/Satan/Rulue and Sig/Oniko/Onion Pixie thing until you brought it up!
Would like it if they brought it up in one of the games, then again there's a lot of things I want out of Arle/Sig, that I will never, ever get.
 

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That's the thing with supplementary materials, they are always more obscure and difficult to access, for anyone, including those who could do the translation work.
What's more, there's something exciting about being able to understand and read those kinds of things for the very first time, you know? I mean, I can't even begin to tell you how excited I was to finally find a CANON statement on Doppelganger Arle's (ORIGINALLY) ambiguous-as-heck motives in regards to Arle and Satan, and why she had such a beef with them in particular.

It makes you question a lot of things indeed, also I don't really get the whole idea of you just not aging when in this new Madou World, there might just be some context I'm missing, but if this is a rule that Satan established then....well...his lusting over Arle has just gotten a lot creepier, to put that very nicely.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. Like, what exactly is the purpose to the whole "no one ever ages" rule thing? I doubt Satan's that shallow enough that he'd only make up this rule for the sole sake of keeping Arle young forever, right? Oh, BOY...speaking of that, his lusting over Arle just took one very..."interesting" turn...

Still though, I wonder if Satan's "no aging" rule thing applied to ALL of reality since...well, you want to tell me how the Fever-era cast and Puyo 7's cast (bar Ecolo) STILL look relatively the same? I mean, I GUESS there was Transformation in PP7, but that still felt pretty..."one-off", if you know what I mean.

BTW, two things.

1. I'm real sorry for that request I asked of you earlier. That was too much to handle, I know. I was just being stupid and WAY too overzealous.

2. Did you see Puyo Quest recently? Apparently, the 'A' Trio's Puyo Touch designs have been added to the game as alts. for each girl. Not going to lie, I really wish those outfits would be used in a mainstream Puyo game one day.

For now though, I'm just glad that SEGA hasn't totally gotten rid of those amazing outfits completely. Heck, you wouldn't believe the great reception those alts. are getting by the fanbase right now. Not only that, but maybe someone will translate the character description and special quotes for the girls wearing those outfits.

Hopefully, SEGA sort of gives a bit of backstory as to why the girls had those outfits on in Puyo Touch in the first place. Personally, I ESPECIALLY want to see Arle's description on this.
 

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Yeah, I thought the same thing. Like, what exactly is the purpose to the whole "no one ever ages" rule thing? I doubt Satan's that shallow enough that he'd only make up this rule for the sole sake of keeping Arle young forever, right? Oh, BOY...speaking of that, his lusting over Arle just took one very..."interesting" turn...

Still though, I wonder if Satan's "no aging" rule thing applied to ALL of reality since...well, you want to tell me how the Fever-era cast and Puyo 7's cast (bar Ecolo) STILL look relatively the same? I mean, I GUESS there was Transformation in PP7, but that still felt pretty..."one-off", if you know what I mean.
Well, I don't think it applies to other worlds period, since I doubt that these rules Satan established go beyond the world he created.

BTW, two things.

1. I'm real sorry for that request I asked of you earlier. That was too much to handle, I know. I was just being stupid and WAY too overzealous.

2. Did you see Puyo Quest recently? Apparently, the 'A' Trio's Puyo Touch designs have been added to the game as alts. for each girl. Not going to lie, I really wish those outfits would be used in a mainstream Puyo game one day.

For now though, I'm just glad that SEGA hasn't totally gotten rid of those amazing outfits completely. Heck, you wouldn't believe the great reception those alts. are getting by the fanbase right now. Not only that, but maybe someone will translate the character description and special quotes for the girls wearing those outfits.

Hopefully, SEGA sort of gives a bit of backstory as to why the girls had those outfits on in Puyo Touch in the first place. Personally, I ESPECIALLY want to see Arle's description on this.
1. It's okay, I ain't mad or upset or anything, I just wasn't expecting an ask with any more then one or two characters, let alone seven and wasn't sure how to even go about it.

2. Saw that yeah, s' pretty cool I guess.
 
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