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Fandom A Wario Land/Ware/World Iceberg Chart
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Oh wow thanks for the link to the source, it had a google drive link with an explanation for every point of the iceberg!
Whenever I see icebergs like these, I can't help but think "Man, I'd really like to pick the brain of whoever made this", and sometimes get confused about what the points are referring to. I wanted to know more about this photo back then and now I'm going down the Wario rabbit hole again
I may have even made a discovery of sorts! Just have to confirm my findings, and if it's likely to be true I'll make a post about it here, if not I'll reply with what I thought it was
Whenever I see icebergs like these, I can't help but think "Man, I'd really like to pick the brain of whoever made this", and sometimes get confused about what the points are referring to. I wanted to know more about this photo back then and now I'm going down the Wario rabbit hole again
I may have even made a discovery of sorts! Just have to confirm my findings, and if it's likely to be true I'll make a post about it here, if not I'll reply with what I thought it was
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Just a few notes here:
I debunked this in a video:
Is this verifiable? I guess it can be implied given he uploads remastered versions on YouTube, but has he ever said this specifically? Source links don't seem to indicate so.
Maybe I'll reach out on Twitter.
A lot more has been datamined from that, including unused enemies and objects:
The Mario mandate only affects characters based on existing Mario species, not fully original ones created for a particular game/outside of that setup. That's why Mario & Luigi: Dream Team and Mario & Luigi: Brothership were mostly unaffected by it, since the vast majority of characters in those games were new.
It almost certainly wouldn't affect Wario because well... the series barely uses anything based on the Mario series as a whole. Like what is Mario inspired in the series?
Well, Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 has Goomba variants as common enemies, a Thwomp variant as common enemies and a boss based on a Hammer Bro:
Also Munchers, which go unedited.
All but the Pirate Gooms vanish from Wario Land II onwards, and after that game, there are no more Mario character variants at all.
But the vast majority of these guys don't seem to be ghosts:
www.mariowiki.com
It's likely that Skeleton Birds, Men'onos and Onomīs are undead, but that's about it.
I debunked this in a video:
Is this verifiable? I guess it can be implied given he uploads remastered versions on YouTube, but has he ever said this specifically? Source links don't seem to indicate so.
Maybe I'll reach out on Twitter.
A lot more has been datamined from that, including unused enemies and objects:
Saw this on The Cutting Room Floor and thought it was neat. Basically, the file wario4land_gba_ique\src\global.h,v has this code starting from line 572:
From what I can tell, it's code for Vampire Wario's non bat form, or at least a reference to it. Presumably this version was planned for Wario Land 4 as well at some point:
But yeah, anyone want to investigate it more? Figure out if there's still working functionality for this in the game?
Code:
/*
enum WAR_STAT_VAMP
{
VPCHNG,
VPBAT,
VPTURN,
VPWALK,
VPJUMP,
VPHAJIK,
VPEND,
VPSTOP,
};
*/From what I can tell, it's code for Vampire Wario's non bat form, or at least a reference to it. Presumably this version was planned for Wario Land 4 as well at some point:
But yeah, anyone want to investigate it more? Figure out if there's still working functionality for this in the game?
The Mario mandate only affects characters based on existing Mario species, not fully original ones created for a particular game/outside of that setup. That's why Mario & Luigi: Dream Team and Mario & Luigi: Brothership were mostly unaffected by it, since the vast majority of characters in those games were new.
It almost certainly wouldn't affect Wario because well... the series barely uses anything based on the Mario series as a whole. Like what is Mario inspired in the series?
Well, Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 has Goomba variants as common enemies, a Thwomp variant as common enemies and a boss based on a Hammer Bro:
Also Munchers, which go unedited.
All but the Pirate Gooms vanish from Wario Land II onwards, and after that game, there are no more Mario character variants at all.
Everyone feels like a bit of a stretch here. As the blog itself says, we can confirm that Princess Shokora and the five of the bosses seem to be ghosts, along with the ghost from Crescent Moon Village and (maybe) Hoggus from Doodle Woods.
But the vast majority of these guys don't seem to be ghosts:
Wario Land 4
Wario Land 4 is a platformer game released for the Game Boy Advance in 2001. It was later re-released for the Nintendo 3DS on December 16, 2011 via the Nintendo 3DS...
It's likely that Skeleton Birds, Men'onos and Onomīs are undead, but that's about it.
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Oh yeah I almost forgot I had some more thoughts too!
I'm familiar with some WL4 and Shake It cut content, but I didn't know some of the WL3 and Wario World stuff, I liked that Sabaku track. And almost for a second I thought the unused placeholder for A Hidden Figure reappeared as a stamp in WarioWare DIY, but I'm tripping lol, I just thought it looked oddly familiar for some reason despite being cut content
tcrf says: The files for the Hall of Hieroglyphs vocals that play during the worst ending are internally named "TUTORIAL", implying that they were intended to play during the Hall of Hieroglyphs tutorial level itself. For some reason or another, it does not do this in the final game.
I liked finding out about the other game Treasure (Wario World's developer) worked on, Stretch... something? It looked nuts
Lastly some of the theories I've never heard of but I thought were interesting. Indeed Scienstein works for Rudy in DM64 and it is kinda odd if Rudy turned everybody into monsters and Scienstein was left unchanged. But I wouldn't say he's helping Wario acquire the music boxes, he isn't acting any different from the rest of the monsters and generally they hinder Wario's progress (although they can help too)
I do like the WL4 everybody is dead theory and agree with it somewhat. The levels absolutely not, but everything that's directly related to the pyramid tracks; the bosses, Shokora, Golden Diva. Wario and Scienstein are the only mortals to step foot inside and they're outsiders. Golden Diva taking over the pyramid and cursing Shokora makes sense as a lingering attachment and then she only departs after Golden Diva is defeated and the curse is lifted. And this curse could've been placed loooong ago, maybe their lifetime before Wario time even (although, I suppose Shokora must have been alive when she got turned into the cat)
I'm familiar with some WL4 and Shake It cut content, but I didn't know some of the WL3 and Wario World stuff, I liked that Sabaku track. And almost for a second I thought the unused placeholder for A Hidden Figure reappeared as a stamp in WarioWare DIY, but I'm tripping lol, I just thought it looked oddly familiar for some reason despite being cut content
I gotta check out his channel, as for the music rights I never knew. On the subject, they pointed out that the Stonecarving City motif is in Brawl's Waluigi Pinball theme too and I can't believe I missed it, it's right there
By the way, you just reminded me of that thread about Hall of Hieroglyphs' lyrics possibly being for the tutorial and not just the bad ending. I guess it's still tbd if their absence was an oversight or on purpose
tcrf says: The files for the Hall of Hieroglyphs vocals that play during the worst ending are internally named "TUTORIAL", implying that they were intended to play during the Hall of Hieroglyphs tutorial level itself. For some reason or another, it does not do this in the final game.
I liked finding out about the other game Treasure (Wario World's developer) worked on, Stretch... something? It looked nuts
Lastly some of the theories I've never heard of but I thought were interesting. Indeed Scienstein works for Rudy in DM64 and it is kinda odd if Rudy turned everybody into monsters and Scienstein was left unchanged. But I wouldn't say he's helping Wario acquire the music boxes, he isn't acting any different from the rest of the monsters and generally they hinder Wario's progress (although they can help too)
I do like the WL4 everybody is dead theory and agree with it somewhat. The levels absolutely not, but everything that's directly related to the pyramid tracks; the bosses, Shokora, Golden Diva. Wario and Scienstein are the only mortals to step foot inside and they're outsiders. Golden Diva taking over the pyramid and cursing Shokora makes sense as a lingering attachment and then she only departs after Golden Diva is defeated and the curse is lifted. And this curse could've been placed loooong ago, maybe their lifetime before Wario time even (although, I suppose Shokora must have been alive when she got turned into the cat)