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Are all of the Ashley appearences leading up to something?
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Other than that, anybody hyped for this theme? How does the artwork look? I say looks sort of off, Ashley's dress looks too big or something, lol. Other than that it's a fine work.
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Dude, my hype matter broke. It's off the charts! It's going faster than light right now! It's stronger than the big bang I say!
I think her dress looks little odd, I never seen Ashley drawn like that, well at least her sleeves. They look way bigger than in normal artwork. Maybe this was one time thing, but her sleeves look very big, lol.
I think it adds to the cute factor here.
I think her dress looks little odd, I never seen Ashley drawn like that, well at least her sleeves. They look way bigger than in normal artwork. Maybe this was one time thing, but her sleeves look very big, lol.
I think it adds to the cute factor here.
Alright, I over-reacted. Those posts were more emotionally driven than thought driven. I'm just really frustrated over yet another one of my favorite series getting mishandled and the Ashley things feel more like an acknowledgement of just Ashley herself and not the series she's from. While fanservice is not a game breaker for me I still hate seeing it leak into series where there was none before. Fire Emblem as of late has been doing this a lot and it is another one of my favorite series.
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Edit: GAH! Seems the situation I was posting bout sorted itself out while I wrote the post. Eh, I'll let it stay anyway.
EDIT 2: Or rather way earlier today, I just realizd I hadn't updated the thread. OOOPS! Sorry people!
No. Mona is the Peach, and Crygor is the Luigi if we are talking importance(character-wise, Crygor is more of the E. Gadd). Heck, one can make an argument there is no Peach and Luigi because WARIO is such a bigshot compared to everyone else that Wario-Man is the real Luigi of this series.
It's hurts to say this as a big Jimmy fan, but Crygor has been significantly more important for the series and gets more screen time in general- he's the brother in arms for Wario(his main inventor). Jimmy is something like Waluigi, a lanky, funny side character that's not overly important to the franchise at all but has a fan following.
"I don't get what I want, so everyone that did should suffer as well instead". That's how you come across. I don't like Kyon's dismissive tone towards fans of characters other than Ashley, but this is arguably both ruder and more petty.
I've been a Wario fan since I was first played him in Mario Kart 64(thats a full 19 years now) and loved both his series, and I don't go whining about how my favorite things don't get represented or more importance(I don't whine about Waluigi and Tingle not being in Smash, for example) by tearing down other people's favorites.
Isabelle was a one-time assistant that blew up in popularity. She did not earn her place as the face of Animal Crossing by in-game means, she did it through: Popularity- which yeah, is a way of earning something as a videogame character, you have proven your design, personality or other stuff is good enough that people like it. You act like popularity is just something that magically happens to one character over another but thats not what happens- it's the character earning star status through design or other things.
Ashley has likewise deserved her spot... as a secondary face of the franchise at best at any point, because you seem to forget that WARIO exists and is such a bigshot that all the other characters are farts in the wind in comparison. Isabelle had the luck of being in a series without a pre-existing proper face like Wario.
Ashley has pulled multiple people into WarioWare, I can say that from personal knowledge of several people going " I need to check out the game she's from".
Come for the cute character, stay for the games.
The only characters with any true importance at all is Wario and the Crygors(Penny in particular in DIY), to be real with you. Crygor at least creates the machinery, AND makes games for it(as do Penny, on top of being the tutorial in DIY). Everyone else just makes games for Wario(or as of late, not even for him but for another company). Mona has that throwaway line about being romantically interested in Wario, but the game has never EVER done anything with that plot in the games, not even have her stay when the others walked out in DIY. Everyone outside Wario and the Crygors could be dumped from the plot entirely with no real effect other than people getting mad about their faves no longer being in there.
It's fine to not like a character. It's fine to not care for any character but one. But spitefully wanting a game series to die because your preferred characters aren't getting the spotlight is seriously petty.
Kyon, stop bashing other characters for not being Ashley, and Big and Boo, you stop bashing as well.
EDIT 2: Or rather way earlier today, I just realizd I hadn't updated the thread. OOOPS! Sorry people!
No. Mona is the Peach, and Crygor is the Luigi if we are talking importance(character-wise, Crygor is more of the E. Gadd). Heck, one can make an argument there is no Peach and Luigi because WARIO is such a bigshot compared to everyone else that Wario-Man is the real Luigi of this series.
It's hurts to say this as a big Jimmy fan, but Crygor has been significantly more important for the series and gets more screen time in general- he's the brother in arms for Wario(his main inventor). Jimmy is something like Waluigi, a lanky, funny side character that's not overly important to the franchise at all but has a fan following.
"I don't get what I want, so everyone that did should suffer as well instead". That's how you come across. I don't like Kyon's dismissive tone towards fans of characters other than Ashley, but this is arguably both ruder and more petty.
I've been a Wario fan since I was first played him in Mario Kart 64(thats a full 19 years now) and loved both his series, and I don't go whining about how my favorite things don't get represented or more importance(I don't whine about Waluigi and Tingle not being in Smash, for example) by tearing down other people's favorites.
Isabelle was a one-time assistant that blew up in popularity. She did not earn her place as the face of Animal Crossing by in-game means, she did it through: Popularity- which yeah, is a way of earning something as a videogame character, you have proven your design, personality or other stuff is good enough that people like it. You act like popularity is just something that magically happens to one character over another but thats not what happens- it's the character earning star status through design or other things.
Ashley has likewise deserved her spot... as a secondary face of the franchise at best at any point, because you seem to forget that WARIO exists and is such a bigshot that all the other characters are farts in the wind in comparison. Isabelle had the luck of being in a series without a pre-existing proper face like Wario.
Ashley has pulled multiple people into WarioWare, I can say that from personal knowledge of several people going " I need to check out the game she's from".
Come for the cute character, stay for the games.
The only characters with any true importance at all is Wario and the Crygors(Penny in particular in DIY), to be real with you. Crygor at least creates the machinery, AND makes games for it(as do Penny, on top of being the tutorial in DIY). Everyone else just makes games for Wario(or as of late, not even for him but for another company). Mona has that throwaway line about being romantically interested in Wario, but the game has never EVER done anything with that plot in the games, not even have her stay when the others walked out in DIY. Everyone outside Wario and the Crygors could be dumped from the plot entirely with no real effect other than people getting mad about their faves no longer being in there.
It's fine to not like a character. It's fine to not care for any character but one. But spitefully wanting a game series to die because your preferred characters aren't getting the spotlight is seriously petty.
Kyon, stop bashing other characters for not being Ashley, and Big and Boo, you stop bashing as well.
re the whole "signifiance/importance" thing: I know the argument is over, but I see this talking point trotted out often here and I think it's really dumb so I want to address it:
1: warioare is a series of minigame compilations where the characters only exist to group each set of minigames, and you never directly control them. how do you suggest they make some "more significant"? You can split hair and say "well the manual says on page X he is the inventor of all the games", but from a functional standpoint, they do the same thing.
2: even if they gave ashley more "importance", either by making her more prominent in the next WW game or giving her her own title or whatnot, you pertinently know you'd switch to complain that Nintendo is "shoving her down our throat" or whatever.
3: Quite bluntly, "importance" doesn't matter and nobody cares. In marketing and crossover stuff, it is broadly true that people involved are more likely to consider the more visible and recurring characters such as the protagonist, and main antagonist, but it ends there. Factors such as how well they can be integrated in the storylines, the personal like/distate of the people involved, and yes, popularity, matters much more
Imagine if they made a Star Wars fighting game, and they justified putting Jar-Jar Binks over Bobba Fett by saying "well Bobba is the character people actually like but Jar-Jar is OBJECTIVELY THE MORE IMPORTANT character to the overal Star Wars storyline." Nobody thinks like that.
1: warioare is a series of minigame compilations where the characters only exist to group each set of minigames, and you never directly control them. how do you suggest they make some "more significant"? You can split hair and say "well the manual says on page X he is the inventor of all the games", but from a functional standpoint, they do the same thing.
2: even if they gave ashley more "importance", either by making her more prominent in the next WW game or giving her her own title or whatnot, you pertinently know you'd switch to complain that Nintendo is "shoving her down our throat" or whatever.
3: Quite bluntly, "importance" doesn't matter and nobody cares. In marketing and crossover stuff, it is broadly true that people involved are more likely to consider the more visible and recurring characters such as the protagonist, and main antagonist, but it ends there. Factors such as how well they can be integrated in the storylines, the personal like/distate of the people involved, and yes, popularity, matters much more
Imagine if they made a Star Wars fighting game, and they justified putting Jar-Jar Binks over Bobba Fett by saying "well Bobba is the character people actually like but Jar-Jar is OBJECTIVELY THE MORE IMPORTANT character to the overal Star Wars storyline." Nobody thinks like that.
Technically, The Crygors still apply through being the tutorial(which is a art of the actual plot) and actually having some legit plot importance in DIY, for what little plot there was, but yeah, the difference is still very minimal anyways and Penny in particular faded back into the crowd immediatiely after DIY.
Very true.
This as well. For example, adding Toon Zelda for Smash 5 would be loathed and critisized to the high heavens, despite her having more importance AND more games than any Zelda character yet to be added. Impotance/significance only goes so far.
Video of the theme.
Red is missing his orange cheeks. Lol
I'm not gonna lie, I would actually find that hilarious and probably main Jar-Jar, or at least have him as a pocket character for when I don't feel like playing Darth Sidious.
But yeah, those are generally good points. In the case of WarioWare, it's so light on the story that nobody's really that significant. It makes sense that they'd focus on what people like, once that's taken into account. On the other hand, it's also a bit odd that they focus on Ashley so heavily that she's almost marketed more than Wario himself these days, and her ties to the WarioWare franchise aren't really mentioned much in her promotional material.
Well...I'm just glad we're getting more Ashley things nowadays. I don't know about you guys, but I'm feeling happy about all this. I'm always in pain almost everyday, but finally I have something to be happy about.
Don't try and make this a Ashley hate thread or Why she shouldn't have been popular and that sort of deal. Can't we all just be happy about this? I feel you, the other characters should get spotlight too, but...
Well, I have nothing more to say on the matter. New Ashley thing came out, so let's just leave it at that now...until the next Ashley thing comes out and everyone goes crazy again.
Don't try and make this a Ashley hate thread or Why she shouldn't have been popular and that sort of deal. Can't we all just be happy about this? I feel you, the other characters should get spotlight too, but...
Well, I have nothing more to say on the matter. New Ashley thing came out, so let's just leave it at that now...until the next Ashley thing comes out and everyone goes crazy again.
I'm not saying you shouldn't like Ashley. I don't even have a problem with the Ashley stuff in itself. I just hate that the Ware series itself is not even being acknowledged especially after the poor showing of it after G&W. Ashley is being treated like her own thing. Not everyone likes this. You should try to understand this.
It doesn't matter anyways. Let's say Ashley wasn't getting anything, Warioware is still dead as of right now, no new news on it, nothing whatsoever. It's just left in the dust until it comes back out. You see, nothing would change if we didn't get Ashley things. We're getting Ashley now, it's better than nothing at all, right?
Heavily disagree and I do not wish to discuss this any further.